i5 7500 or Ryzen 5 1400 for SFF?

[Journey]

Those arn't the best prices tho TBF the £80 Biostar board is out of stock.

Z370 ITX and 6 core i5 for sub £290 you say? Let's hope so.

The £80 Biostar board is out of stock? I can't even get one any where in the UK since launch, and I was trying to since it was announced, and have checked pretty much every e-tailor in the UK. I ended up with the ASRock B350 version instead, which was £109 when I got it, and is quite awesome to be fair, especially with the included Intel WiFI & Bluetooth module, it OC's well too, had the RAM running at 3466 14/14/14/34, and R7 1700 at 3.925GHz with 1.2775v.

As for the processor yes, it is the best price, literally no where has it for less than £187 due to supply demand it's holding the price well.

EDIT: No sooner have I typed that, I just found the Biostar in stock somewhere! It's £116.16 + P&P for the B350GTN, so looks like it's not that well priced.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

I'm still unsure on this. Ryzen seems like it might be be the better option if I plan to upgrade the chip, but I'm not sure if I will be.
With the exception of a few games I'm not sure many benefit from the 8 threads over the 4 the 7500 would offer though. But the 7500 isn't really any cheaper...

The 1600 Ryzen seems overkill, so I'd probably stick to the 1400 or 1500X. For the price difference the 1500X seems better due to the higher cache and base clocks?
That said I think the stock 1400 cooler would fit in the case, but the stock 1500X wouldn't, so I'd need the Noctua NH-L9a and AM4 mount, which is an extra £40 or so. Maybe the 1500X isn't worth it?
Maybe the Noctua NH-L9a would allow me to overclock a bit though? Not sure it's needed (or a good idea) but it's always fun to tinker right?

 

[jigger]

The £80 Biostar board is out of stock? I can't even get one any where in the UK since launch, and I was trying to since it was announced, and have checked pretty much every e-tailor in the UK. I ended up with the ASRock B350 version instead, which was £109 when I got it, and is quite awesome to be fair, especially with the included Intel WiFI & Bluetooth module, it OC's well too, had the RAM running at 3466 14/14/14/34, and R7 1700 at 3.925GHz with 1.2775v.

As for the processor yes, it is the best price, literally no where has it for less than £187 due to supply demand it's holding the price well.

EDIT: No sooner have I typed that, I just found the Biostar in stock somewhere! It's £116.16 + P&P for the B350GTN, so looks like it's not that well priced.

The Biostar ITX board has been available for awhile. A few places stock it. You can buy the 370 ITX for less than 116 right now.

I'm still unsure on this. Ryzen seems like it might be be the better option if I plan to upgrade the chip, but I'm not sure if I will be.
With the exception of a few games I'm not sure many benefit from the 8 threads over the 4 the 7500 would offer though. But the 7500 isn't really any cheaper...

The 1600 Ryzen seems overkill, so I'd probably stick to the 1400 or 1500X. For the price difference the 1500X seems better due to the higher cache and base clocks?
That said I think the stock 1400 cooler would fit in the case, but the stock 1500X wouldn't, so I'd need the Noctua NH-L9a and AM4 mount, which is an extra £40 or so. Maybe the 1500X isn't worth it?
Maybe the Noctua NH-L9a would allow me to overclock a bit though? Not sure it's needed (or a good idea) but it's always fun to tinker right?

I don't think the 1500X plus a £40 heatsink makes any sense. I'd probably save £40 and go with the 1400 as you can overclock it If needed anyway.

 

[humbug]

I'd wait a few weeks for the i5-8400, 6 core, but still 65w TDP, same cost or less than the 7500.

lol no...Intel have done nothing but hike their prices up for the same thing with a new name, so what makes you think Intel are now going to offer 50% more cores and cut the price from their older generation? thats wishful thinking way too far.

@ Op don't bother with the 1400 or the 1500X, they are 4 core CPU's, get the 1600, thats a 6 core 12 thread monster for less than crummy i5 money.

 

[Journey]

lol no...Intel have done nothing but hike their prices up for the same thing with a new name, so what makes you think Intel are now going to offer 50% more cores and cut the price from their older generation? thats wishful thinking way too far.

As I already said the i5 8400 price is £145 + VAT, plus or minus £5. Don't forget the 8400, replaces the 7400, not the 7500, and the 7400 is only £150-160, so the price is going up, around £15-25, or roughly 16% at the high end, which is not insignificant.

It's a shame that you can't overclock it, or buy a cheaper motherboard (only Z370 on release) for it however, as that would have made a great system to compare against the R5 1600, even without SMT.

 

[humbug]

There is no i5 8400 for sale anywhere, Google, apparently doesn't know they exist.

 

[Journey]

There is no i5 8400 for sale anywhere, Google, apparently doesn't know they exist.

SKU is BX80684I58400 for the retail boxed variant.

 

[humbug]

SKU is BX80684I58400 for the retail boxed variant.

Nope.

 

[Journey]

Nope.

Oh noes, GOogle shopping isn't showing any for sale, so it can't be true!

Rather than de-rail this thread into another AMD vs. Intel splatfest, how about you just come back in approximately 4 weeks times, and if I am incorrect then I'll apologise. Just don't think that every answer has to be and can only be buy a Ryzen, look at the options that will be/are available, and weigh them up for the specific use case.

 

[humbug]

Oh noes, GOogle shopping isn't showing any for sale, so it can't be true!

Rather than de-rail this thread into another AMD vs. Intel splatfest, how about you just come back in approximately 4 weeks times, and if I am incorrect then I'll apologise. Just don't think that every answer has to be and can only be buy a Ryzen, look at the options that will be/are available, and weigh them up for the specific use case.

Don't lose your rag, you said they were for sale at £145 + VAT, clearly you read some rumour somewhere and took it as fact without even bothering to fact check, it clearly i'sn't, OCUK don't have them, no one does, they don't exist, they will in the future but what they will cost is just speculation, certainly NOT cheaper than the i5 7400 which is currently £190, not £160, https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-62u-in.html

 

[jigger]

Oh noes, GOogle shopping isn't showing any for sale, so it can't be true!

Rather than de-rail this thread into another AMD vs. Intel splatfest, how about you just come back in approximately 4 weeks times, and if I am incorrect then I'll apologise. Just don't think that every answer has to be and can only be buy a Ryzen, look at the options that will be/are available, and weigh them up for the specific use case.

TBF I've had a look and my product finding luck seems a little better than yours and I can't find anything to segest the 8400 or Z370 chipset will cost anything close. Intel seem to be around £50 per core and £50 for a chipset.

 

[Journey]

Don't lose your rag, you said they were for sale at £145 + VAT, clearly you read some rumour somewhere and took it as fact without even bothering to fact check, it clearly i'sn't, OCUK don't have them, no one does, they don't exist, they will in the future but what they will cost is just speculation, certainly NOT cheaper than the i5 7400 which is currently £190, not £160, https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-62u-in.html

ROFL, lose my rag, you are funny guy sometimes.

Why do I need to fact check? Obviously when I got the pricing from the purchasing department they were lying to me and the fact is it can't be true. My processors most of the time come directly from a Chinese company called Cervoz (feel free to look it up) and are in no way a competitor to OCUK. Usually they are within a few pounds of the retails pricing in the UK (we buy in $), but it benefits us as we buy quite a few, and can get odd/end of life CPU's that we can't from elsewhere, alongside other items that we purchase, Component Solution Service if you must look it up. Don't get upset about not having all of the information, but I work in the industry or designing and building computer solutions, so sometimes I will be able to get news a little early, although trying to get info about the 7920X-7980XE has been a complete nightmare, as Intel are being ridiculous about it.

 

[humbug]

I'll take your third-hand info from the orient with a huge pinch of salt if you don't mind, we get a lot of that around here already and none of it ever has a modicum of truth to it. ^^^
Its also very different to what you initially said.
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I can see even the locked core i5's getting pushed somewhat over £200, maybe £220 or £230, which, for Intel at least is not that unreasonable a price, it is a 6 core, all be it 6 thread and locked, Intel will simply seen them as worth the Intel premium.

 

[jigger]

ROFL, lose my rag, you are funny guy sometimes.

Why do I need to fact check? Obviously when I got the pricing from the purchasing department they were lying to me and the fact is it can't be true. My processors most of the time come directly from a Chinese company called Cervoz (feel free to look it up) and are in no way a competitor to OCUK. Usually they are within a few pounds of the retails pricing in the UK (we buy in $), but it benefits us as we buy quite a few, and can get odd/end of life CPU's that we can't from elsewhere, alongside other items that we purchase, Component Solution Service if you must look it up. Don't get upset about not having all of the information, but I work in the industry or designing and building computer solutions, so sometimes I will be able to get news a little early, although trying to get info about the 7920X-7980XE has been a complete nightmare, as Intel are being ridiculous about it.

I handle purchasing for my firm. I might give component solution services a call.

 

[Journey]

I'll take your third-hand info from the orient with a huge pinch of salt if you don't mind, we get a lot of that around here already and none of it ever has a modicum of truth to it. ^^^

Feel free to take it with an entire truck full of salt tbh, since I am just some randomer on the internet. I have no reason to mislead the OP about the cost, and I have no reason to believe I have been mislead by one of my colleagues as it does not benefit them in anyway, shape or form.

I handle purchasing for my firm. I might give component solution services a call.

You should, Cervoz are really good, especially if you need weird and wonderful stuff, the also specialise in IPC computing, and flash media/RAM etc.

 

[humbug]

Feel free to take it with an entire truck full of salt tbh, since I am just some randomer on the internet. I have no reason to mislead the OP about the cost, and I have no reason to believe I have been mislead by one of my colleagues as it does not benefit them in anyway, shape or form.



You should, Cervoz are really good, especially if you need weird and wonderful stuff, the also specialise in IPC computing, and flash media/RAM etc.

I'm not saying you are, I can't explain why so much crap comes out of the region or why it ends up on this forum but it does, not just in here but also in the GPU room, its all apparently random, meaningless and yes, inexplicable in its purpose, but it does happen, a lot.
Maybe you should take the pinch of salt philosophy yourself, you did say 'to the same effect' that the 8400 was for sale for £145 + VAT, a quick google should have prevented you from writing that down in here.

 

[Journey]

Maybe you should take the pinch of salt philosophy yourself, you did say 'to the same effect' that the 8400 was for sale for £145 + VAT, a quick google should have prevented you from writing that down in here.

Sorry if I don't follow what you mean by that? Why would I Google something when I didn't source the information from Google? The same would apply to you quoting the price of the 7400 too though, since a simple Google shows it at £150-160 in lots of places.

I'm done derailing the thread, it's been a pleasure. I'll stick to helping the OP here on in, and hope that he ends up happy.

 

[Panos]

Hi,

So I'm thinking of building a SFF PC (probably in the Silverstone Milo ML08-H).
It'll hopefully be used for gaming.

Am I better off going for a H270 Mobo + i5 7500 or a B350 Mobo + Ryzen 5 1400?
Which one performs best in games?
Which one runs coolest (as CPU cooling will be limited (probably look to use stock cooler with either one)?

Also (and I realise this is the wrong section, but I didn't want to make 2 threads), what's the difference in the Intel B250 and H270 chipsets/motherboards? Also, what's the difference in the AMD B350 and X370 chipsets/motherboards? (Can you overclock on the B350?)

Thanks.

Get the one of the Ryzen 5 or 7 CPUs that come with the wraith cooler and the Biostar X370 mITX,
Also get compatible ram at the highest speed possible. eg G.SKILL F4-3200C14D-16GTZR or APACER EK.16GA6.GFBK2/EK.16GA4.GGBK2/78.CAGN4.4090B to run it at 3200mhz, if you don't have some high speed ram. (as per biostar website)


You can overclock the CPU specially the 6 core Ryzen 5s will do it nicely. Go easy on the voltage to keep temps low, and you will be set.
They consume less power than the intel parts, even when overclocked, so nothing to worry about.

 

[jigger]

OK I've found a couple of business listings for the 8400 and it's a lot more than 145+ VAT. I would doubt you could buy them direct from Intel at that price even if you ordered by the millions.

I would be very careful ordering from that firm in China. Payment on delivery would be in order I think.

 

[humbug]

@Journey, Come off it, if its not indexed by Google then it isn't in any shop/

As for the pricing, look at this...

You see the purple bar ^^^^ thats the 7700K, it out sells all Intel's other CPU's put together, because (ignoring its price) its Intel's perfect all-rounder, its also the best gaming CPU.

So get this, 95% (not an exact science) don't use more than 6 none HT cores, so if you think the i5 8400 is going to be £160, then the 8600K what? Given the 7600K is just over 20% more expensive than the 7400 the 8600K would be £195?

Suddenly the price of the 7700K can't be ignored, its £350, now Intel are going to be offering a CPU that is at least as fast as the 7700K and no doubt just as fast as the 8700K in games for sub £200, over £150 less than their previous big hit, the one that makes up more than 50% of their desktop revenue, in other words Intel are going to be taking a huge hit on their revenue.
If Intel are smart, and they are, then they will make sure the 6 core i5's are not the chips which make up the bulk of their revenue, or if they can't avoid that at least not make them as cheap as current i5's, let alone even cheaper, which is what you seem to be suggesting.

Like you said earlier, personally i don't care, if anything i think its a good thing if Intel lose a chunk of revenue, i'm sure their partners, investors and retailers would disagree with me on that. But for the sake of competition its better that Intel don't have huge piles of cash to give away without blinking.

Its from Germany's largest Retailer group, yes in August AMD overtook Intel.