i5 7500 or Ryzen 5 1400 for SFF?

[Journey]

I would be very careful ordering from that firm in China. Payment on delivery would be in order I think.

I though you were in purchasing? Is part of your job not negotiating payment terms, we are on 30 days EOM, but we spend $10,000's a month with them, and have been using them for a very long time. They don't sell to individuals, or sole traders etc. so you are out of luck if you are only a small business anyhow.

so if you think the i5 8400 is going to be £160,

I never said it was £160, at anytime, I said it was £145 + VAT give or take +/- £5's - see my own quote below. This makes the CPU about £174, but with a margin of error allowing £168-180, a lot of the end cost is dictated by the $ rate we secured at the time of ordering.

As I already said the i5 8400 price is £145 + VAT, plus or minus £5

 

[humbug]

Thats still less than the current i5 7400.

Don't buy from any Market at those prices, you'll end up with a polished Core Duo. Literally.

 

[jigger]

We dont spend 10k a month, but at the price you mention I would be surprised if the order even turned up. My hunch is the £145 chip is bogus. Either a knock off or mistake. I know from time to time fake Intel kit makes its way into the supply chain.

 

[kitfit1]

@Journey, Come off it, if its not indexed by Google then it isn't in any shop/

As for the pricing, look at this...

You see the purple bar ^^^^ thats the 7700K, it out sells all Intel's other CPU's put together, because (ignoring its price) its Intel's perfect all-rounder, its also the best gaming CPU.

So get this, 95% (not an exact science) don't use more than 6 none HT cores, so if you think the i5 8400 is going to be £160, then the 8600K what? Given the 7600K is just over 20% more expensive than the 7400 the 8600K would be £195?

Suddenly the price of the 7700K can't be ignored, its £350, now Intel are going to be offering a CPU that is at least as fast as the 7700K and no doubt just as fast as the 8700K in games for sub £200, over £150 less than their previous big hit, the one that makes up more than 50% of their desktop revenue, in other words Intel are going to be taking a huge hit on their revenue.
If Intel are smart, and they are, then they will make sure the 6 core i5's are not the chips which make up the bulk of their revenue, or if they can't avoid that at least not make them as cheap as current i5's, let alone even cheaper, which is what you seem to be suggesting.

Like you said earlier, personally i don't care, if anything i think its a good thing if Intel lose a chunk of revenue, i'm sure their partners, investors and retailers would disagree with me on that. But for the sake of competition its better that Intel don't have huge piles of cash to give away without blinking.

Its from Germany's largest Retailer group, yes in August AMD overtook Intel.

WOW !!!! I thought that would happen at some point, but never thought AMD would catch and overtake Intel that quick. 9% in one month as well, would be very interesting to know if that was being repeated world wide don't you think.

 

[humbug]

Its probably a one off for the uber sensible Germans but various national 'Rain Forst' outlets are reporting strong sales for AMD, the 7700K is univerally the best seller but 2'nd, 3'rd.... are more often Ryzen chips, Threadripper is consistently outselling the core i9's tho, people don't seem to like them too much, even Bulldozer is often outselling those Core i9's.

Intel are having a hard time of it at the moment.

 

[jigger]

Thats still less than the current i5 7400.

Don't buy from any Market at those prices, you'll end up with a polished Core Duo. Literally.

U wan bye 8400 chip and Z370 ITX I give top price. Used socket 1151 Pentiums and 110 boards turn up with 8400 heatspreaders super glued on and Z370 stickers.

 

[GoogalyMoogaly]

Get the one of the Ryzen 5 or 7 CPUs that come with the wraith cooler and the Biostar X370 mITX,
Also get compatible ram at the highest speed possible. eg G.SKILL F4-3200C14D-16GTZR or APACER EK.16GA6.GFBK2/EK.16GA4.GGBK2/78.CAGN4.4090B to run it at 3200mhz, if you don't have some high speed ram. (as per biostar website)


You can overclock the CPU specially the 6 core Ryzen 5s will do it nicely. Go easy on the voltage to keep temps low, and you will be set.
They consume less power than the intel parts, even when overclocked, so nothing to worry about.

Overclock a Ryzen 7 in a ITX case that only supports 58mm coolers? Even the cooler that comes with the 1500X is bigger than that.
What's the benefit of a X370 motherboard over a B350?
Struggling to find games that use 8 threads in reviews. Which ones benefit from 12?

I was considering the 1400 because I can probably get away with the stock cooler, but I'm still thinking about the 7500 as it seems when a game isn't maxing out 4 threads the 7500 gets better FPS if you're not GPU limited. Can't seem to find measurements on the stock Intel cooler though, anyone know how tall it is?

 

[humbug]

U wan bye 8400 chip and Z370 ITX I give top price. Used socket 1151 Pentiums and 110 boards turn up with 8400 heatspreaders super glued on and Z370 stickers.

lol...

 

[jigger]

I might one have somewhere. I usually just bin the Intel heat sinks.

 

[Journey]

Thats still less than the current i5 7400.

Don't buy from any Market at those prices, you'll end up with a polished Core Duo. Literally.

Didn't you you use Google, like you told me to? It's not less, it's more.. but I can link to show you due to forum rules, nvm.

We dont spend 10k a month, but at the price you mention I would be surprised if the order even turned up. My hunch is the £145 chip is bogus. Either a knock off or mistake. I know from time to time fake Intel kit makes its way into the supply chain.

I said $10's not just 10. As for it turning up, well considering we consolidate anywhere from 400Kg to a couple of tonnes every week from Taiwan and China, using a freight forwarder I'd be bloody surprised if it didn't.

As for your second comment, I hope your wrong, or we are literally building 100's of systems a month with fake processors! :O

 

[humbug]

Don't say we didn't warn you.

People have been buying Ryzen chips from apparently reputable Rain Forest outlets, they were a little cheaper than normal, Ryzen chips is not what they ended up with.

 

[jigger]

Didn't you you use Google, like you told me to? It's not less, it's more.. but I can link to show you due to forum rules, nvm.



I said $10's not just 10. As for it turning up, well considering we consolidate anywhere from 400Kg to a couple of tonnes every week from Taiwan and China, using a freight forwarder I'd be bloody surprised if it didn't.

As for your second comment, I hope your wrong, or we are literally building 100's of systems a month with fake processors! :O

Well it's not you thats getting sacked. Either way I think it's safe to say £145 + VAT at retail isn't happening. If it is then your purching manager might is getting over charged.

 

[Journey]

Don't say we didn't warn you.

People have been buying Ryzen chips from apparently reputable Rain Forest outlets, they were a little cheaper than normal, Ryzen chips is not what they ended up with.

I was taking the ****, you lot are a laugh a minute.

 

[humbug]

Use emotes, in future, you know, so in the middle of a serious debate with you we can tell a flippant joke from the same statements you have been making all along in all seriousness. eh?

 

[kitfit1]

@ Journey, Just out of interest, is your company based near to where i live ?

 

[Journey]

@ Journey, Just out of interest, is your company based near to where i live ?

Not really, but I've had a good ogle at the before and think dealt with them on a few occasions.

 

[jigger]

Overclock a Ryzen 7 in a ITX case that only supports 58mm coolers? Even the cooler that comes with the 1500X is bigger than that.
What's the benefit of a X370 motherboard over a B350?
Struggling to find games that use 8 threads in reviews. Which ones benefit from 12?

I was considering the 1400 because I can probably get away with the stock cooler, but I'm still thinking about the 7500 as it seems when a game isn't maxing out 4 threads the 7500 gets better FPS if you're not GPU limited. Can't seem to find measurements on the stock Intel cooler though, anyone know how tall it is?

Not much between b350 and x370. One supports more PCIE.

I've found a HSF that I think come with one of my Xeons and it's about 100mm tall.

 

[Scougar]

B350 is more than adequate unless you are doing multiple cards and/or pushing the limits with the overclock.

 

[Vince]

Didn't you you use Google, like you told me to? It's not less, it's more.. but I can link to show you due to forum rules, nvm.



I said $10's not just 10. As for it turning up, well considering we consolidate anywhere from 400Kg to a couple of tonnes every week from Taiwan and China, using a freight forwarder I'd be bloody surprised if it didn't.

As for your second comment, I hope your wrong, or we are literally building 100's of systems a month with fake processors! :O

I don't get it, why would any business build 100's of machines a month on grey import kit? Why not just buy machines from the proper channels where you have support should you need it. This method of importing items of questionable origin when the build time takes any cost saving out seems like a really poor business decision. I'm in charge of purchasing at our place and I wouldn't entertain it for a second.

Shipping kit in with zero consumer rights and no recourse is risky business. Assuming you build the machines to sell on, what happens when Mr consumer decides to go direct to the manufacturer for rma or support and finds out you are shipping grey kit? Worse than that if building for inside the organisation all cost savings are wiped out by freight and build times. If your buying 100's a month your purchasing power should allow you to get very good rates off the shelf with zero agg on a supported platform.

 

[Journey]

I don't get it, why would any business build 100's of machines a month on grey import kit? Why not just buy machines from the proper channels where you have support should you need it. This method of importing items of questionable origin when the build time takes any cost saving out seems like a really poor business decision. I'm in charge of purchasing at our place and I wouldn't entertain it for a second.

Grey import? It's a legitimate supplier, with no questions of origin. I suggest you do your research first before talking nonsense.

As for business practice, the burden is minimal due to the fact we source most of our kit directly from Taiwan/China manufacturers, just like OCUK do for theirs. You do know all of the big manufacturers are in that area, right? Why would we go through UK distys when all they do is add margin, we have the volume to buy direct from most places so we do.

Shipping kit in with zero consumer rights and no recourse is risky business. Assuming you build the machines to sell on, what happens when Mr consumer decides to go direct to the manufacturer for rma or support and finds out you are shipping grey kit? Worse than that if building for inside the organisation all cost savings are wiped out by freight and build times. If your buying 100's a month your purchasing power should allow you to get very good rates off the shelf with zero agg on a supported platform.

You are making great big assumptions, and have no clue about what we do/make, who we sell to, or the end use of said products.