Soldato
When did this happen?
If America Falls We Fall
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When did this happen?
No, poor analogy that lead to Gaius taking the lead and forging one of the greatest empires ever seen from decline into something that had hope. The Rubicon moment for the USA would have been involved Lincoln.
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You are embarrassing your self seriously.
I suspect he does not have the faintest idea what he is talking about. We got royally fisted by the Americans for the lend-lease I.e having to sell off all our overseas assets etc...
Whilst you are bumming America perhaps you should read some books on lend-lease and Panama etc... Our greatest allie has pretty much decimated our power and international relations with the middle east, please stop spouting bull****.
Yes
By the time America entered the war we had already "stopped" the Germans, we had held off the luftwaffe long enough to win the "battle of Britain" and make Hitler think twice about a sea invasion (hopeless without air superiority) and so could have just stayed on our island and fought defence until the end of the war.
Once Japan attacked the US and were committed to fighting them they no longer had the resources/capability to storm through China and into the USSR like Stalin had feared and so he was able to throw everything he was reserving for that possibility against the Easter front with Germany and smash their advance (which had stalled not far from Moscow due to the harsh winter).
The USA would have won the war with Japan however it would have taken longer without nukes. Once the "Soviet steamroller" was rolling it was unstoppable the only question is would Stalin have settled for taking Germany or would he have tried to take France too (Without us or the USA hitting mainland Europe France would still have been Germany controlled by this point). Stalin would not have invaded the UK as it was his ally and he wouldn't have wanted to make enemies of the US/Australlia/Canada.
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You imbecile - it led to the fall of the Roman Republic not the Roman Empire (Gaius crossing the Rubicon led to the creation of the mpire in fact) - the resultant Empire persisted for 500 years - almost the same length of time the Republic existed for.
The Roman Empire at it's height controlled 6.5m km2, compared to 1.95m km2 at the hieght of the Republic.
If you're going to make silly comments at least try to know what you're talking about.
In respect of UN/NATO controlling American armies - imo it's about time we had a single world government.
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I always find it comical that in sci-fi whenever we encounter "less developed" worlds they are usually more/better organised than us. I.E the Genii from stargate are developed to about the same level we were in the 40's/50's however they are a united world and as such would most likely have surpassed where we are now (irl) within a couple of decades.
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To all the American haters. We hadn't stopped the Germans. We had run away. Or is your attitude to hell with the rest of Europe, I'm all right jack. What state would the world be in now? We had to go back. Yeah, they charged us for their materials, but they didn't charge us for the lives of their people. Where would you rather be. In debt, or cowering on an Island waiting for the evil empire to swallow you up. I really can't believe the anti-USA feeling that some people, however immature, seem to have in this country. Perhaps you are immigrants, as well as prepubescents. I recommend you do some reading. "All Hell Let Loose" by Max Hastings would be a good starting point. By the way, Stalin was planning on Invading Germany from the rear, long before Germany invaded Russia, despite his alliance at the time with Hitler. So your assumption that Stalin would not have invaded an ally is on dodgy ground. And who did you cite as a deterrent against him doing that? Oh, America. The very Nation that got off their backsides and met the Russians in Berlin. Unbelievable. "But we didn't need America." You have argued against your point as you have made it. Perhaps books won't help you. You can't put in what God's left out.
Before suggesting people do some reading then maybe you should. Your contributions in this thread have been littered with inaccuracies.
This has started and its being blacked out of the media.
The impeachment of Barack Hussein Obama has begun. The Congressional resolution (H.Con.Res.107.IH) filed Wednesday, states that using offensive military force, without prior consent violates Congress’ express Constitutional power to declare war.
The impeachment process is as follows:
The Impeachment Process – In the House of Representatives
* The House Judiciary Committee will decide to proceed or not with impeachment.
* If they do, the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee will propose a Resolution calling for the Judiciary Committee to begin a formal inquiry into the issue of impeachment.
Full Article here: http://www.usanewsfirst.com/2012/03/12/obama-impeachment-begins/
Take him down!!
The impeachment of Barack Hussein Obama has begun. The Congressional resolution (H.Con.Res.107.IH) filed Wednesday, states that using offensive military force, without prior consent violates Congress’ express Constitutional power to declare war.
The impeachment process is as follows:
The Impeachment Process – In the House of Representatives
* The House Judiciary Committee will decide to proceed or not with impeachment.
* If they do, the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee will propose a Resolution calling for the Judiciary Committee to begin a formal inquiry into the issue of impeachment.
Full Article here: http://www.usanewsfirst.com/2012/03/12/obama-impeachment-begins/
Take him down!!
Commissario
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Hmmm, looking at that site, it appears to be for right wing nut cases...
It's published on the Governments own site, but perhaps the "media is kkeeping quiet about it", is because even Fox news knows it's got less legs than a snake, and they're normally quite happy to scream and shout about anything that might make Obama look bad.
Also it's worth looking it up for the details of the full bill and who is sponsoring it.
Now, I'm not a huge follower of American Politics, but AFAIK Obama hasn't actually used any offensive military forces other than those already involved thanks to his predecessor in the White House.
It's also fairly telling for the level of support he has for the bill, and it's likelyhood to succeed that he has zero co-sponsors for it.
Hmmm, looking at that site, it appears to be for right wing nut cases...
It's published on the Governments own site, but perhaps the "media is kkeeping quiet about it", is because even Fox news knows it's got less legs than a snake, and they're normally quite happy to scream and shout about anything that might make Obama look bad.
Also it's worth looking it up for the details of the full bill and who is sponsoring it.
Now, I'm not a huge follower of American Politics, but AFAIK Obama hasn't actually used any offensive military forces other than those already involved thanks to his predecessor in the White House.
It's also fairly telling for the level of support he has for the bill, and it's likelyhood to succeed that he has zero co-sponsors for it.
the lack of co-sponsors i think represents how much of the government is bought off and the amount fear put into people who want to speak out and are for the constitution. hopefully tho this goes ahead and gathers some steam then hopefulllllllly people will start to come out of the woodwork.
as far as im aware the President can only order an attack without congress approval when there is a direct attack on the US mainland. even then he can only engage for 90days then congress has to decide weather to carry on or not.
obama getting resolutions from the un/nato to rampage around in the middle east makes him a foreign puppet or a pysko!
Commissario
er...lybia? israel? uganda?
This is one of many steps taken during obama's time in office, that is pushing the US towards the dictatorship that so many in power want. Nothing less.
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Soldato
cus america listened to the UN last time LAWL
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Impossible, it started that way.