Yeah it’s a really hard balance to get right.I will NOT be playing Terraforming Mars again. After 3 hours and basically telling my mate I did not care to take my next turn, and to bring me another beer... Nah. Distinctly remember the frustration with it all
My favourite ‘complicated game’ is Brass Birmingham.
That is definitely as complicated as I’d ever want to go! I would also add - it’s extremely good.