Immigrants make better Citizens than Natives...?

[Van_Dammesque]

I dont think so, he said imagine what would have happened if someone had said that 'immigrants are not better citizens and do not come here to contribute' they would be branded a nazi and a racist. Granted I did not give enough time for people to come at me on that one.

But, I get annoyed when people say things like that when blatantly that is all they want to say themselves. Go ahead, I personally won't call you a racist or a nazi, I will just dislike you intensely .

Well I propositioned the diametric argument of Mr Best, I guess you like him intensely?

Why do you dislike people intensely for the opposite opinion, do you think that he should say group A is better than group B?

He said: Group B is better than Group A.
Your reply: no problems.

I Propositioned: Group A is better than Group B.
You said: I would dislike you intensely!

Can you not see your own double standards? Hence the double standards of publicly tax-funded organizations of this nature? If only they practiced their own diatribe!

 

[Fraggr]

neither. i just think people coming into this country take liberties ... purely because they can and we are too soft.


dont flame me, its just my opinion

I agree the ones on welfare should be sent back, but that figure is nowhere near 5 million.

Your opinion shows that you want no immigrants in this country, and I disagree that it is a good opinion to hold.

Many immigrants come here to work so they live a better life than in their own country.

 

[VIRII]

Many immigrants come here to work so they live a better life than in their own country.

Quite they come here for their benefit not ours. They have no loyalties to this country though so they are not "making better citizens than natives".
When you emigrate you do so for YOUR betterment, no-one elses.

 

[Fraggr]

Quite they come here for their benefit not ours. They have no loyalties to this country though so they are not "making better citizens than natives".
When you emigrate you do so for YOUR betterment, no-one elses.

Can you show me where I've said they make better citizens?

 

[Van_Dammesque]

Quite they come here for their benefit not ours. They have no loyalties to this country though so they are not "making better citizens than natives".
When you emigrate you do so for YOUR betterment, no-one elses.

But, but...but Mr Keith Best says:
"These people have actively sought British citizenship because they want to make a contribution to the UK."

<--- for Mr Keith Best if your reading!

 

[Irish_Tom]

I agree with Squarehed about judging an individuals merit by their actions. However, I'm becoming more and more in favour of a boarder police system and a points system like Australia for people wishing to live and work here.

Panzer

 

[VIRII]

Can you show me where I've said they make better citizens?

I was backing up your comment and also using the thread title.
Nowhere did I suggest that YOU had used that phrase did I?

 

[VIRII]

But, but...but Mr Keith Best says:
"These people have actively sought British citizenship because they want to make a contribution to the UK."

<--- for Mr Keith Best if your reading!

He's obviously completely wrong then and so is anyone who agrees with him

Oh I think I'll move to Australia because I want to make life better for all Australians, I don't want to move there to make my own life better Oh No.... I'm just so selfless.

 

[Fraggr]

I was backing up your comment and also using the thread title.
Nowhere did I suggest that YOU had used that phrase did I?

Whoah, my bad. :/

I'm so used to disagreeing with most of the things you say in threads like this it's kind of a force of habbit.

 

[Van_Dammesque]

He's obviously completely wrong then and so is anyone who agrees with him

Oh I think I'll move to Australia because I want to make life better for all Australians, I don't want to move there to make my own life better Oh No.... I'm just so selfless.

So you'd be happy sleeping in a tent and contributing all of your pay (except for bread and water) to the australian tax system? he he.

 

[Van_Dammesque]

Whoah, my bad. :/

I'm so used to disagreeing with most of the things you say in threads like this it's kind of a force of habbit.

 

[VIRII]

Whoah, my bad. :/

I'm so used to disagreeing with most of the things you say in threads like this it's kind of a force of hobbit.

What have Hobbits got to do with it?
You stated that people came here to make their own lives better.
The deluded MP states they come here to make my life better and that they are somehow better citizens than natives.
I am agreeing with you that their motives are not as stated by Keith Best but rather that they come here for a better life for themselves.

You should stop disagreeing with me because I'll always be right too

 

[Toryglen-boy]

I agree the ones on welfare should be sent back, but that figure is nowhere near 5 million.

Your opinion shows that you want no immigrants in this country, and I disagree that it is a good opinion to hold.

Many immigrants come here to work so they live a better life than in their own country.

i plucked that number out of the air, it was to show a number way higher than one or two ...

my opinion shows nothing of the sort, and dont presume to know what i am thinking or twist my words...

exactly.many immigrants come here for a better life than they have in thier country, how many brits do you think went to Albania on January 1st?

Dont get me wrong, immigrants are ok, and come one come all .... but .... when in Rome, and charity begins at home.

2 things i believe in whole-heartedly

 

[VIRII]

So you'd be happy sleeping in a tent and contributing all of your pay (except for bread and water) to the australian tax system? he he.

Absolutely, my only wish is to make life better for Australians. Hell don't even pay me and take my body organs too.

 

[Van_Dammesque]

Lol, just read it on the DM website:

It is me or has he a "left-wing" (moustashe on the left!) hitler cat?

 

[Squarehed]

Well I propositioned the diametric argument of Mr Best, I guess you like him intensely?

Why do you dislike people intensely for the opposite opinion, do you think that he should say group A is better than group B?

He said: Group B is better than Group A.
Your reply: no problems.

I Propositioned: Group A is better than Group B.
You said: I would dislike you intensely!

Can you not see your own double standards? Hence the double standards of publicly tax-funded organizations of this nature? If only they practiced their own diatribe!

Sorry, what I was trying to do was say what you said, but fasetiously (i don't beleive that group A is better than B) to make the point that when people say things would be jumped on by the authorities/called a nazi/racist it annoys me. I think they should just come out and say it if they believe it.
I should have made that more clear, if you get me More a sideswipe in general than a go at you, I'm sick of hearing it in GD.

That said, I disagree with Mr Best on a number of things, I don't beleive for a second that people come over here to benefit Britain, much like I wouldn't emigrate to the USA to benefit them. It would be me looking out for me, and my family. I think that's what immigrants really do it for, and I think Mr Best is living in la-la-land if he really believes that.
Now, where I have a problem is the discrimination by some people in our country against the people that do it legitimately, ie, they get a job and don't scrounge off the benefit system. I'd have no hesitation in sending back the people who are no benefit and detrimental to our society.

So, sorry if my point didn't sound right. I don't have double standards, like you said I don't like Mr Best if he believes immigrants are a better person than me, simply because of where I was born. Similarly, I don't like the people here who seem to think that they are instantly better than an immigrant because they were born in Britain.

 

[dirtydog]

This is just another disgraceful attack on native Britons from the traitors who run this country. The immigrants don't want to make a contribution 'to the UK', they want to make a contribution to their own wallets and then send most of their money back home to Poland or wherever they came from

 

[Mr Spew]

neither. i just think people coming into this country take liberties ... purely because they can and we are too soft.


dont flame me, its just my opinion

It's not your opinion, it's a skewed idea of one that you've come here to brandish about like it's something to be proud of. How are we too soft, in what way? Which people and what liberties are they taking? Immigration is looked upon with a scrutinising eye and rarely is it "soft". Immigrants (in any country) are expected to work, they're expected to contribute to the economy and stimulate business. The country is better for it.

I think it's amazing that it seems easier for someone to get citizenship of this country/Britian than it is for my wife to get a visa to simple live and work here (not taking citizenship, purely just been allowed to live here with me).

If you go about your life honest, and try to do everything the right way.. they try and screw you with red tape and charges.

I would like to point out that it is easier for me to move to America with my wife (and I can WORK whilst we wait for my approval!!) than it is for her to simply be allowed to live here with me.

To me that is what is wrong with this country, screw the hard working honest people, and take in so many people that are attempting a 'better life' in England, because they can send money back home where it's worth so much more.

I dislike lazy britains who sponge of the system, and I dislike those immigrants who purely come here to sponge. But at the same time, I look at the Polish (for example) and at least they get off there ass and work.

Matthew

It's crazy how many steps are taken, but however many there are, there's always going to be someone that isn't happy that 'we're not doing enough to crack down on these immigrants', it's silly.

I dislike spongers, I don't dislike a group of people specifically, all spongers are lazy and need a kick up the arse. The Polish people I've come across (which is a lot, I live amongst the second biggest population of Polish people in any town in the UK, the first biggest is London, of course) are all hard working, enjoy their work because of the (relatively) amazing pay and are a friendly people. They're much more relaxed, work harder and take up all the menial jobs that over the past few decades have been snubbed upon by the British in favour of benefits. Hopefully the benefits will worsen and the 'natives' (who were never from the UK in the first place) will be forced to do something about it.

Quite they come here for their benefit not ours. They have no loyalties to this country though so they are not "making better citizens than natives".
When you emigrate you do so for YOUR betterment, no-one elses.

They come here because it benefits themselves and we let them in because it benefits them as well as us. It means the vacancies in menial jobs are taken up, the economy is stimulated. When we let people in, it is because it helps us. Having more people here is not a bad thing, only 10% of the land in the UK is used for living on, the rest is green land, so we're not closed to being 'full', not by a long shot. Immigration is great, I want to work abroad at some point, only by immigration is this possible. There should not be a limit on who can live where, why should there be? It's preposterous, it's a world, why are we tied down to somewhere because we were born there? It makes no sense. Invisible barriers drawn by cartographers millenia ago.

This is just another disgraceful attack on native Britons from the traitors who run this country. The immigrants don't want to make a contribution 'to the UK', they want to make a contribution to their own wallets and then send most of their money back home to Poland or wherever they came from

Ignorance is bliss, eh? They do want to make a contribution as they appreciate being let in to work, they contribute in the form of taxes and taking up accomodation which they have to pay for. Why does it matter where they came from? What a horribly racist attitude you have. It has nothing to do with you what they do with their money, I buy stuff from abroad, it doesn't go into the UK's economy, yet I was born here, does that make me a traitor? No, exactly. Stop being such a fanny.

 

[dirtydog]

The Polish people I've come across (which is a lot, I live amongst the second biggest population of Polish people in any town in the UK, the first biggest is London, of course) are all hard working, enjoy their work because of the (relatively) amazing pay and are a friendly people. They're much more relaxed, work harder and take up all the menial jobs that over the past few decades have been snubbed upon by the British in favour of benefits.

Utter tripe. 'Britons refuse to do menial work' is a huge lie.

They come here because it benefits themselves and we let them in because it benefits them as well as us. It means the vacancies in menial jobs are taken up, the economy is stimulated.

When we let people in, it is because it helps us. Having more people here is not a bad thing, only 10% of the land in the UK is used for living on, the rest is green land, so we're not closed to being 'full', not by a long shot.

You don't have a clue

This article would be a good starting point: http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/13359

Ignorance is bliss, eh? They do want to make a contribution as they appreciate being let in to work, they contribute in the form of taxes and taking up accomodation which they have to pay for. Why does it matter where they came from? What a horribly racist attitude you have. It has nothing to do with you what they do with their money, I buy stuff from abroad, it doesn't go into the UK's economy, yet I was born here, does that make me a traitor? No, exactly. Stop being such a fanny.

Ah the racist card. I am white, Poles are white - how does me not wanting millions of them flooding over here make me racist exactly?

 

[Mr Spew]

Utter tripe. 'Britons refuse to do menial work' is a huge lie.


You don't have a clue

This article would be a good starting point: http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/13359


Ah the racist card. I am white, Poles are white - how does me not wanting millions of them flooding over here make me racist exactly?

Any proof that it's a lie? As the thousands/millions of immigrants seem to have taken up jobs, otherwise they'd be going back. If those jobs weren't actually in existance, then they couldn't occupy them.

Really? Oho.

Yes, great, linking to the Daily Express of all sources, who themselves have such a bias in their agenga it's untrue (they want rid of Labour more than the Mail lately).

Ah, the semantic card. I am white, I am British, when their children are born here, they're British. What do you do then?

You're xenophobic (which is the term I should have used in the first place).

What's your problem then, exactly? They're not 'taking our jobs', they're actually helping the country out of a decline. More people = more jobs. The jobs that are taken mean that more money is being spent, more taxes are being paid, so the country improves.

You said they don't make a contribution, yet they do. You obviously feel threatened by other people from a culture you're not familiar with. I pity you, really. Traitors don't run this country, economically-minded people do. Why does it matter where anyone comes from?

Just in case you didn't know, it doesn't matter.