Immigrants make better Citizens than Natives...?
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It's clear you would.Let me give you some choice (skewed and biased quotes):
"JOHN Prescott, Labour’s buffoonish and unlamented ex-Deputy Prime Minister, had a unique talent for mangling the English language."
"One of the many laughable statements from his time in office was a comment about protecting the environment."
"The bastardised socialist agenda of the Government has played a central role in exacerbating the housing crisis in three key ways. The first has been the wilful destruction of our borders and the promotion of mass immigration on an unprecedented scale. It is *little wonder that there is such pressure on the housing stock when our country is allowing 500,000 foreigners to settle here every year, most of them in the South-east of England. "
The first two quotes are the first two lines. They clearly state their biased nature, hardly the journalistic ideal of being indepedent from the story, so instead of reporting factually and neutrally they attack in a sevely Conservative point of view.
Having immigration centred in the south-east is the 'problem', spread it out instead of having everyone come in through the same portal. The country is not over-run as I previously stated, less than 10% of the land is built upon, there is so much land available, it's down to the house-builders to do something. Everyone here seems to have a home at the moment and immigration has been happening for some time. Why aren't the houses all full and overcrowded? Because we're not overcrowded. Hyperbole in the right-wing press will always draw in readers like yourself, easily influenced into feeling annoyed or angry about something 'threatening' your way of life.
We have more children being born per couple than most places (if not the world), the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Europe, so this pushes younger families out into more housing, and they claim on the benefits and leech off the state. Foreigners cannot simply come here and leech, it's a myth. It doesn't work like that.
And a choice quote:
"The relentlessness of housing growth is unsustainable. I sometimes feel that we are living in a madhouse, paying welfare handouts to millions of able-bodied British citizens to do nothing, then importing millions of migrants to fill the jobs that the benefit claimants could easily do, then bleating about the lack of affordable housing because of the phenomenal population growth.
We seem to be trapped in a vicious downward spiral. And the way to break free is not by pouring more concrete over the Green Belt but clamping down on mass immigration."
So he understands that our society is to blame in a respect because there are millions of lazy (but able-bodied) morons sitting around doing nothing. Then immigration is relaxed and the jobs they couldn't be bothered to do are being done now - and the writer for the Express wants to clamp down on immigration now? But I thought he just said the immigration has filled lots of unclaimed jobs? He needs to make his (biased) mind up.
I'm tired of reading biased comments from people who are either unhappy with their work/life and want an outlet for this unhappiness or are just plain xenophobic.... and all they can do is blame the immigrants.
What is it exactly that the immigrants did to you?
Did they steal your job?
Do you pay more taxes because of them?
How can you generalize like that?.... putting ALL immigrants under one word.
There are people who want to work... and there are people who want to leech. Just like natives.
I came to your country... PAYED to study there, payed my rent, payed my damn TV licence... got offered a job...worked for a year... payed my taxes...
I was one of those immigrants you so much despise... what exacly did I do wrong?
Why did I have to put up with some form of xenophobia every week while I lived in the UK?
(The most memorable time being when I tried to give a pound to a beggar and he didn't take it because I looked foreign... and then proceeded to give me a history lesson.. something about the sun rises and sets on the british empire stuff... obviously he couldn't see the irony in his words)
Anyway...again.. sure there are ones who come to leech... but not all are like that...
and i don't see how you can judge them when there are miriads of 15year old britons who get pregnant because they're too lazy to work...
They're just as bad....
I'd love to come and stay a year and work in the UK again... not because I can't find a job (I have a job) but just because I like travelling and there's things I liked and miss about the UK (I'm also half english... yes my mother was/is an immigrant... suprise suprise eh?).... but it seems like people over there are getting even more xenophobic over the past years...
...it kind of scares me off..
I thought the idea of Europe was to unite nations...
(ok rant over)
What is it exactly that the immigrants did to you?
Did they steal your job?
Do you pay more taxes because of them?
How can you generalize like that?.... putting ALL immigrants under one word.
There are people who want to work... and there are people who want to leech. Just like natives.
I came to your country... PAYED to study there, payed my rent, payed my damn TV licence... got offered a job...worked for a year... payed my taxes...
I was one of those immigrants you so much despise... what exacly did I do wrong?
Why did I have to put up with some form of xenophobia every week while I lived in the UK?
(The most memorable time being when I tried to give a pound to a beggar and he didn't take it because I looked foreign... and then proceeded to give me a history lesson.. something about the sun rises and sets on the british empire stuff... obviously he couldn't see the irony in his words)
Anyway...again.. sure there are ones who come to leech... but not all are like that...
and i don't see how you can judge them when there are miriads of 15year old britons who get pregnant because they're too lazy to work...
They're just as bad....
I'd love to come and stay a year and work in the UK again... not because I can't find a job (I have a job) but just because I like travelling and there's things I liked and miss about the UK (I'm also half english... yes my mother was/is an immigrant... suprise suprise eh?).... but it seems like people over there are getting even more xenophobic over the past years...
...it kind of scares me off..
I thought the idea of Europe was to unite nations...
(ok rant over)
Sounds spot on to me. We were all immigrants at one point, we immigrated to this island, wars were fought over it, so no one is truly British anyway. There should never be any claim on the land. Nor should anyone be made to feel unwelcome as you have. I would never want to feel like people are against me because I want to work in another country. I want to go the US to experience it, I want to go to Hong Kong, Germany, Japan and many other places on leisure and for work.
Your post pretty much sums up my general feeling towards those who feel the country is going to the dogs - it is in some respects, but not for the reasons they state. Teenage pregnancy, lack of will to go and get a job, high cost of living (so people retract and go back to their parents), taxes that aren't going where people want them to, NHS looking a little worse for wear, so many different things that contribute.
Your post pretty much sums up my general feeling towards those who feel the country is going to the dogs - it is in some respects, but not for the reasons they state. Teenage pregnancy, lack of will to go and get a job, high cost of living (so people retract and go back to their parents), taxes that aren't going where people want them to, NHS looking a little worse for wear, so many different things that contribute.
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This doesn't sound spot, I'd advise you go read history books! Maybe "we" shouldn't have stopped Hitler in Operation Sealion, since we have no claim on this landMr Spew said:
Even if he raises legitimate concerns?
And ONE of the problems is mass immigration and the undermining of the natives by people like what this thread is centred upon.
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Generally, folk who dont like immigrants are not racist but scared of losing the jobs, and as most Poles coming over are unskilled (i.e. no degrees etc.) it is the unskilled/working class workers who are most fearful.
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We also criticise and judge them and we are not expected to be hushed up.
The key difference is that the UK has a moral and just obligation to "sort out" the native problems and NOT a just obligation to sort out "foreign" problems. Otherwise the concept of a country has been lost (and also the idea of a european union, since it is an idea of "upscaling" a country. Would you want them to help you or promote outside EU interests before yourself?)
Why import problems at all?
Did you have a vote on whether you wanted a united europe? And what do you call people who decide things without the consent of the populace the governments are supposed to represent? Why should our country's standards drop to "feed" poorer countries in the EU?
Maybe you read it wrong, I said no one should be made to feel unwelcome, no one.Van_Dammesque said:
He hasn't raised any legitimate concerns yet.
No 'natives' are being undermined, they're being selfish (for the part of the benefit-claiming lazies) and can't be bothered. Other people can, let them at it.
How is immigration a problem? I've yet to see any convincing argument against it.
A generation of people that can't be bothered means we imported a solution to the lack of caring in the country. People taking the jobs that people living here couldn't be bothered to do will hopefully make them sit up and feel competetive, as if they should get up and do something instead of being such a couch potato, living on their jobseekers and child benefits.Van_Dammesque said:
Eh? Poland isn't poorer, if you're talking about that country. They simply don't have the same economic scale - they earn less but everything is dirt cheap. A reasonable three bed house will cost £20k out there, very good cars are similar prices. Nothing is out of reach, whereas housing is out of reach to everyone but the older, higher-earning people in solid jobs, or those more fortunate.Van_Dammesque said:
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Why not? Would you welcome Hilter with open arms?Mr Spew said:
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Well if you got peeved at that comment then it goes to show what natives think of the same comments directed at them.Van_Dammesque said:
This was a test and the quote isn't an opinion being presented.
Van_Dammesque said:
He hasn't raised any legitimate concerns yet.
Hitler isn't alive. I am not talking about leaders of terrorist organisations, I'm talking about people in general. If people want to work, why not? It's not depriving anyone of anything, it's giving more to the country than it is taking.
What? Stop with your horrible generalisations and plain poppycock. HOW are they worse? You're being pathetic - reason your argument instead of expecting people to believe it. How are they worse? Many 'natives' sit on their arses and claim benefits, that is worse than immigration letting people in and letting them work and help the economy by paying taxes and starting new businesses.
America has nothing to worry about with immigration, the country is huge, less than 5% of the land has buildings on it.
The numbers that guy is spouting go nothing close to an over-crowding. The people come from one country, right? So what's wrong with going to a country with less people per square mile? It spreads it out more if anything. China is smaller than the US yet has what, four times the population? It's crazy trying to link to such videos which have such a sly agenda and suggest that they don't have the room.
I've got no idea what you're doing here.Van_Dammesque said:
Well if you got peeved at that comment then it goes to show what natives think of the same comments directed at them.
This was a test and the quote isn't an opinion being presented.
Van_Dammesque said:
Sadly... Democracy is the only worthwhile form of government we have devised.
What else would you recommend?
How are your country's standards being dropped?
What about all the immigrants who work and do the jobs that are obviously available and are not being filled by native britons?
What utter garbage. Why not show us the figures for how much it benefits us. How did Abu Hamza benefit us exactly? Omar Bakri? How do you calculate the social cost? But hey it's ok because you might want to work somewhere else one day.........Mr Spew said:
Wrong again, It was not always an island either.Mr Spew said:
No-one is truely any nationality if you look at it that way however like it or not the people who made this such a desireable place to move to did so for their descendents not for all and sundry. THe wars fought to secure this land were fought for their family not all and sundry.Mr Spew said:
Why not? You claim your house as yours don't you, I doubt you just let anyone walk into and use your house and garden do you so what is the difference?Mr Spew said:
Seems a sharp dose of reality will be heading your way soonMr Spew said:
That doesn't mean they want you nor does it mean they should HAVE to let you in.Mr Spew said:
Care to elaborate, exactly what is the cost of teenage pregnancy?Mr Spew said:
Supply and demand, more immigration = more demand...... dohMr Spew said:
So many more people allegedly doing "menial tasks" which pay less in tax then they cost to have around..... the added pressures on schools of having classrooms where no-one speaks English and so on.Mr Spew said:
Do you actually live in an overcrowded corner of England with massive immigration or are you still at home with mummy and daddy in a nice suburb well away from the realities of life still?