Immigrants make better Citizens than Natives...?

[dirtydog]

Oh and some more evidence that immigrants are not better citizens.

Check out the unemployment rates for those in this country who are not white British.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=462

 

[disgust]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/... council to build four new schools/article.do
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6654055.stm

What I read is that obviously the services weren't prepared for the influx of so many immigrants... so it has caused a problem.
This has happened in many european countries... it calms down after a while... doesn't cause permanent damage.
Just requires more organization and more funding.
Maybe you should have diverted some of the funding from the Iraqi war to more needy matters like this?
You're a very rich country.. I doubt "a few" immigrants will destroy your economy.

Don't take my word for it, listen to what the black mayoral candidate for London has to say.

well he's obviously wrong... sharing cultures is what has helped humanity advance itself to where it is now.
Do you really need reasons?... they're all around you... from the food you eat to the appliances you use... to the pavement you walk upon...
Or do you propose the use of foreign ideals/ideas without respecting the populus?
Or maybe the introduction of foreign ideals/ideas through the use of conquer?

It is up to those countries to decide their immigration policies; I won't presume to tell them how they should run their countries.

Well if Britain deports all non-britons, what do you think countries with british imigrants will do?
Or can't you think that far ahead?

 

[dirtydog]

What I read is that obviously the services weren't prepared for the influx of so many immigrants... so it has caused a problem.
This has happened in many european countries... it calms down after a while... doesn't cause permanent damage.
Just requires more organization and more funding.
Maybe you should have diverted some of the funding from the Iraqi war to more needy matters like this?
You're a very rich country.. I doubt "a few" immigrants will destroy your economy.

It isn't a "few" though is it. It's millions.

Well if Britain deports all non-britons, what do you think countries with british imigrants will do?
Or can't you think that far ahead?

When did I say I want to "deport all non-Britons"? I have never, ever said that.

If other countries want to restrict British immigration then good luck to them. Do you know what? Plenty of countries do exactly that already. Most notably the United States, Canada and Australia. We should do likewise for ALL immigrants and not just those from outside the EU.

 

[disgust]

When did I say I want to "deport all non-Britons"? I have never, ever said that.

What else would "Britain for British" mean?
What else would "Multiculturalism divides" mean?
What else would all the rest you say mean?

 

[dirtydog]

What else would "Britain for British" mean?
What else would "Multiculturalism divides" mean?
What else would all the rest you say mean?

To me it means putting the needs of Britons first. It doesn't mean not accepting a single foreigner into the country. Nor does it mean deporting all foreigners who are here. When they are here they should be a significant benefit to us, and their needs should be considered secondary to those of the natives.

 

[Feef]

well he's obviously wrong... sharing cultures is what has helped humanity advance itself to where it is now.
Do you really need reasons?... they're all around you... from the food you eat to the appliances you use... to the pavement you walk upon...
Or do you propose the use of foreign ideals/ideas without respecting the populus?
Or maybe the introduction of foreign ideals/ideas through the use of conquer?

Was rather hoping to see a response to this point, actually..

 

[VIRII]

I'm not talking about specific people you moron,

Being an angry little child might get you a well deserved suspension. Try reading the FAQ.

I'm talking about people coming here, paying taxes, spending money living here and we're letting them here. There are evil people in the world, deal with it. They come in all walks of life, how did Tony Blair help us? Letting our soldiers be killed and kill others in foreign countries, it's so hypocritical it's untrue.

Does this drivel mean anything?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4553688.stm Just one of the many links.

Oh dear even the useage of google fails you
Here read this and learn a little...... we've had a falling birthrate for decades and it has been a very long time since we've been reproducing at a rate sufficient to replace those who are dying. Population growth is from immigration......

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=951

Wrong in what way? That we're not natives? I'm waiting for proof of this, none of us were here in the first place.

Then we are all african? Yet Great Britain did not exist before the ancestors of people living here NOW and in decades past created it.

I'm talking about the land, not housing. Of course my house is my own - the difference is that my house isn't capable of fitting hundreds of millions of people in it.

So what? What gives you the right to own the land that your house is on? You (or I suspect your mummy and daddy) have worked for that house, that is what makes it theirs. My ancestors worked to create this country that is what makes it mine. The similarity is obvious to all but the most challenged of people.

Dear me you're not the smartest.

I'd argue that I am far more intelligent than you, far less angry and far less insulting. Grow up little child.

Eh? What are you talking about.. "reality"? Stop speaking in silly riddles trying to act smart and smarmy as it doesn't work.

Is this playground insulting rant your idea of intelligent debate? Grow up.

Teenage pregnancy - child benefits being paid out, the teenager not going to school which is paid for by us, housing benefits amongst many others, not to mention the mother who more often than not won't have a job, or requires someone else to look after the child (which puts the carer, usually her mother) out of a job too just to look after her little daughters mistake.

I see the question that you were asked has stretched you too much. Quantify how much of a problem teenage mothers ACTUALLY are........

If those jobs aren't taken, no tax is being paid, if they are taken, tax is paid. Since immigration is on a large scale (as articulated by others 'against' it), that's a lot of tax money that previously would not have been paid out.

Hmm economics A level wasn't one of your subject choices was it. Have you taken A levels yet? What do you think that tax pays for? Policing, health, education, public services etc. Do you think a low paid job pays enough to cover the services used in tax........

A lovely assumption that no immigrant speaks English - it's simply not true. I've not come across any Polish people around here that doesn't speak fluent English, many speak it better than todays 'youf'.

Don't put your peers down so

I live in Northampton, second highest Eastern European population in the UK - and it's not overcrowded.

Nope Northampton is not overcrowded, come to somewhere that is like Luton

Another lovely, childish assumption from yourself, I moved out at 17 (four years ago), I pay rent, taxes, bills etc (over £1k a month), more than I suspect you pay.

Heh so you are but a boy after all, seems my "assumption" was accurate. Given that you've started a post by calling me a "moron" do you really think you have some sort of grounds on which to call others childish boy? I pay more income tax that your taxes, rent and bills combined. My mortgage is also higher than your rent, taxes and bills. We aren't all impoverished kids you know.

So not quite in a lovely little west country suburb as you might assume. But that's all you do, assume. Assume everywhere is over-crowded and run down with immigrants, St Albans really must have an adverse affect on you.. it looks pretty nice from the pictures online, are you going to come and give me some figures stating it's a haven for immigration now?

St Albans is OK, immigrants can't afford to over run it yet. Take a good look at Luton or Watford though I know Northampton, Rugby, Warwick, Leamington etc rather well, I lived there around the time you were born, in fact I left the area when you were 2 years old. Hardly overcrowded, quite a nice area to live in fact.

No one is putting anyones needs ahead of anyone elses. Foreigners go under a strenuous process to work here, we don't have to. We get more benefits than them. What's not to understand here?

What garbage. What process? Get on train at Sangatte. Arrive, claim asylum, job done. Let's not forget that the "doctors" who tried to explode cars recently were turned down from Australia because their qualifications weren't good enough for anywhere but here.

 

[VIRII]

How do they leech? Come on, I'm waiting for an answer. They pay tax, how is that leeching?

Really? Tell me how much financial benefit did Abu Hamza, his wife and 7 children give to this country in taxes......
How much tax does someone on minimum wage pay and how much public services do they consume............. do you think everyone who works is a net benefit to the country?

Come on, I'm waiting for an answer.......

 

[VIRII]

You're a very rich country.. I doubt "a few" immigrants will destroy your economy.

Ahh the typical "greek" attitude to the UK, you've got money , we want a share of it, roll over and hand it over.
How many million immigrants is a "few" in Greek by the way?

 

[Ex-RoNiN]

Ahh the typical "greek" attitude to the UK, you've got money , we want a share of it, roll over and hand it over.
How many million immigrants is a "few" in Greek by the way?

 

[VIRII]

It seems a typical attitude to me from Greek posters. Or do you not share his opinions?
Do you feel that the UK wealth means we shouldn't mind sharing it with immigrants?
Do you feel Britain and England shouldn't be proud of their history?

 

[The Running Man]

Oh and some more evidence that immigrants are not better citizens.

Check out the unemployment rates for those in this country who are not white British.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=462

does this information not lead you to believe that it is also *white* males who need a good kick up the posterior? how can the unemployment be so much higher than the female? given the % proportion of the population who are white and male, doesn't this paint a negative picture in terms of our own native whites?

but nowhere in your posts have you acknowledged this to be the case?

 

[VIRII]

does this information not lead you to believe that it is also *white* males who need a good kick up the posterior? how can the unemployment be so much higher than the female? given the % proportion of the population who are white and male, doesn't this paint a negative picture in terms of our own native whites?

but nowhere in your posts have you acknowledged this to be the case?

Could it be something to do with the makeup of families? To be unemployed in the graph I assume that you have to be claiming benefit which if you are a stay at home mum who is not intendingto work you can not do.

That would also lend an interesting perspective to pakistani women of whom 1 in 5 is claiming dole. I wonder how many of them are really looking for work?
Given trends in every other single race it seems a little unlikely that they have such a greater percentage of mums who don't want to stay at home...

 

[dirtydog]

does this information not lead you to believe that it is also *white* males who need a good kick up the posterior? how can the unemployment be so much higher than the female? given the % proportion of the population who are white and male, doesn't this paint a negative picture in terms of our own native whites?

but nowhere in your posts have you acknowledged this to be the case?

Why do you single out white males when every single other ethnicity has higher unemployment? Do you not like white people?

 

[The Running Man]

Could it be something to do with the makeup of families? To be unemployed in the graph I assume that you have to be claiming benefit which if you are a stay at home mum who is not intendingto work you can not do.

That would also lend an interesting perspective to pakistani women of whom 1 in 5 is claiming dole. I wonder how many of them are really looking for work?
Given trends in every other single race it seems a little unlikely that they have such a greater percentage of mums who don't want to stay at home...

pure speculation, could it not be something to do with the makeup of their families, and the expectations on each of them to fulfil a role? perhaps racism does contribute to the numbers to exclude them from selection from certain jobs - which would factor in as to why all the other groups do have a higher unemployment rate that british white?

 

[The Running Man]

Why do you single out white males when every single other ethnicity has higher unemployment? Do you not like white people?

why do you ignore it and pretend it isnt happening! you have already run your course with this particular sourcem, i remember you utilising also in SC? i just wanted to put another spin onto this and see if any intelligent discourse was forthcoming...

 

[VIRII]

pure speculation, could it not be something to do with the makeup of their families, and the expectations on each of them to fulfil a role? perhaps racism does contribute to the numbers to exclude them from selection from certain jobs - which would factor in as to why all the other groups do have a higher unemployment rate that british white?

Maybe all other groups don't speak English as well and so find it harder to work in an organisation.... maybe they survive so much better on the dole than in their homelands..... you claim my explanation is pure speculation and then offer up..... pure speculation....... genius!

I'd love you to offer more explanation on the "fulfilment of a role". Are you suggesting that pakistani women are expected to be stay at home mums?
If so then why are 1 in 5 claiming the dole? You are supposed to be seeking work......

 

[dirtydog]

pure speculation, could it not be something to do with the makeup of their families, and the expectations on each of them to fulfil a role? perhaps racism does contribute to the numbers to exclude them from selection from certain jobs - which would factor in as to why all the other groups do have a higher unemployment rate that british white?

Of course! Whites unemployed = whites are lazy. Non-whites unemployed = whites are racist.

You really don't have a very high opinion of white people do you

 

[VIRII]

Of course! Whites unemployed = whites are lazy. Non-whites unemployed = whites are racist.

You really don't have a very high opinion of white people do you

Or you could have phrased it like this instead:

you moron...... Dear me you're not the smartest. Stop speaking in silly riddles trying to act smart and smarmy as it doesn't work.

 

[dirtydog]

Spew has also called me various things, some of which has been deleted. I've seen people suspended for less...