In the current GPU market, is the smart thing to do just to settle for the best APU you can get?

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The Ryzen 7 5700G is relatively poor value for money at £330. Also to get optimal IGP performance you need to get fast RAM and all for getting GT1030/RX550 level performance which are around £80 to £90. Because of the lower L3 cache performance is closer to a Ryzen 7 3700X or Core i7 10700F.

On HUKD there have been various £200 deals for the Ryzen 7 3700X,and you can get an MSI cashback deal on a Core i7 10700F(can be had for around £250)and B560 which knocks off £40 from the price.

The Core i5 10400F can be had for as low as £120.

You can get a GTX1050TI 4GB for £170 now,or a GTX1650 4GB GDDR6 for around £200.

Couple that with an unlocked Core i5 10400F,with a £20~£30 CPU cooler in a £90 MSI B560M PRO VDH,with cashback,you end up with similar system cost to a Ryzen 7 5700G but far better gaming performance.

Plus you can sell the dGPU later on if you get a better one!

AMD has overpriced these - a Ryzen 7 5800X is similar price but a much faster CPU.

This should have been priced at most at £280 for the Ryzen 7 5700G and £210 for the Ryzen 5 5600G due to them performing much worse than the Zen 3 CPUs. The issue it makes more sense to get a Zen2 CPU if you want an AMD CPU and get a GT1030 for £80 if that is OK performance for you. You also get PCI-E 4.0 with the CPUs. The Ryzen 7 3700X also has a fantastic stock cooler,ie,the Wraith Prism.The APUs only get the lowest tier Wraith Stealth too.

 

[g67575]

The problem is that that 5800X is still quite expensive (around £345-£375), compared to CPUs like the 10700KF. Good to see that the price has come down a bit though.

If you could get a 5800X for around £300, that would make the 5700G seem pointless. hopefully, they will bring the price down for both in 3-6 months.

Someone should just figure out how to install Windows 10 on a Series S console

 

[The Artfull Bodger]

Someone should just figure out how to install Windows 10 on a Series S console

This is something I would find interesting to see, benchmark wise at least. I'm guessing drivers might be an issue though.

 

[KompuKare]

This is something I would find interesting to see, benchmark wise at least. I'm guessing drivers might be an issue though.

I'd think a bigger issue that I would expect all consoles to be totally locked down with pretty strong encryption.
Still someone figured out how to install an OS into the previous generation although just recently so it might take a few years.

 

[Squink]

I find it hard to get excited by 25fps at 720p and low settings. As far as being a decent CPU with basic graphics tacked on for the most casual of gamers, then I don't think these are awful products.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

If you are wanting to play cyberpunk then forget about it.

If you are playing csgo then sure.

Simple as that really.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The problem is that that 5800X is still quite expensive (around £345-£375), compared to CPUs like the 10700KF. Good to see that the price has come down a bit though.

If you could get a 5800X for around £300, that would make the 5700G seem pointless. hopefully, they will bring the price down for both in 3-6 months.

Someone should just figure out how to install Windows 10 on a Series S console

Sometimes there are bundle deals or the famous auction website discount codes which drop the effective cost of the Ryzen 7 5800X.

 

[shamus21]

The only reason Apu are picking up a lot of interest these days is because of the Gpu supply issues over the last 12 months. Good Cpu and a cheap s/h graphic card better option.

 

[The Old School Gamer]

Not really, the GT 1030 clearly can't cope at 720p, based on these results:
https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5700g/images/igp-cyberpunk-2077-1280x720.png
https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5700g/images/igp-the-witcher-3-1280x720.png

~20 FPS in Cyberpunk 2077. It's slower than the 5700G, even though it has 2GB VRAM.

The 5700G is about 37% faster on average, at 720p (low):
https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5700g/images/igp-relative-performance-1280-720.png

It's a socket AM4 desktop CPU, so will work in a lot of people's PC, no it's not available as a graphics card, but it doesn't have to be.

It's not for everyone, but I think you are underestimating how successful the 5700G will be. The mobile equivalent APUs (the 8 CU parts are the 5800U - 5980HX) have been well received.

When I build or recommend budget PC's to people, by default I have 1080p medium to high settings in mind.

720p low settings is just below an acceptable playing standard in 2021 (imho).

 

[g67575]

That's true 720p is very much a minimum, but even 1080p graphics cards aren't cheap these days, and in my view, there comes a point where it just isn't worth buying a new card, as prices have gone backwards, especially for 1080p/1440p cards.

It's disheartening that neither AMD nor Nvidia seem interested in selling 1080p reference model cards in high volume, with both companies only reference model cards aimed at 1440p /4K.

Maybe there will be an RDNA2 refresh of then RX 5500 XT, which is a good 1080p card that is currently selling for silly money.

 

[HangTime]

Better off getting an Xbox IMO, can handle more modern games and a lot of titles are crossplay with PC now so you can retain progress etc when you finally get a GPU. With a modern Xbox you can kind of using it like a gaming PC too, hook up to a monitor, plug in KB and mouse etc, although I appreciate PC gaming still offers more in terms of modding, centre game genres etc.

Take my son's PC, instead of upgrading the GPU I sold the GPU (due to inflated secondhand prices) and bought a Series X, he's got 4k gaming on a big TV now instead of 1080p with a GPU that might struggle in places with the latest titles.

I'll always be a diehard PC gamer but I can see why consoles are appealing in this market.