Intel 10nm Cannon Lake CPUs Delayed Until Late 2018

RollaC · 21 Sep 2017 at 17:08

Originally planned for mid-2017, Intel Cannon Lake architecture is set to appear in the ultra low power chips designed for the next generation 2-in-1 and ultrabook devices. Intel CEO showcased a Cannon Lake-based notebook back in January at CES. At the time, many people thought the company was pretty close to launching the architecture. But it isn’t so.
http://digiworthy.com/2017/09/21/intel-10nm-cannon-lake-delayed/

reef · 21 Sep 2017 at 17:52

It sounds like Cannonlake will be similar to broadwell and Intel will pretty much skip straight to Icelake.

Simon Belmont · 21 Sep 2017 at 18:03

Get Coffeelake now and then wait for Icelake. That's my plan.

AndreiD · 21 Sep 2017 at 18:35

https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Intel-Technology-and-Manufacturing-Day-China

They did just show test wafers with 10nm Cortex A75 based CPUs on them, their 10nm X86 SKUs can't be that far away.
Though they didn't give any info on when said 10nm consumer line will come.

jigger · 21 Sep 2017 at 20:21

Intel probably looked at Ryzen and decided to add a couple of cores and improve the performance per watt.

gavinh87 · 21 Sep 2017 at 20:24

Simon Belmont said:
Get Coffeelake now and then wait for Icelake. That's my plan.

+1

jigger · 21 Sep 2017 at 20:32

What laptop will Coffee lake or Ice lake be in...

AndreiD · 21 Sep 2017 at 20:32

jigger said:
Intel probably looked at Ryzen and decided to add a couple of cores and improve the performance per watt.

They can't really do that, any kind of reaction silicon wise to Ryzen would take 4-5 years to reach the market. The only way they can react right now is via pricing.

jigger · 21 Sep 2017 at 20:34

AndreiD said:
They can't really do that, any kind of reaction silicon wise to Ryzen would take 4-5 years to reach the market. The only way they can react right now is via pricing.

6 months to tack 2 cores onto Kaby.

AndreiD · 21 Sep 2017 at 20:47

They can't just add 2 cores like that, Coffee Lake has been developed over a pretty long time frame, before AMD even announced Ryzen.

Perfect_Chaos · 21 Sep 2017 at 20:52

Simon Belmont said:
Get Coffeelake now and then wait for Icelake. That's my plan.

A good idea if they use the same socket yes, anyone betting they won't?

DragonQ · 21 Sep 2017 at 20:53

AndreiD said:
They can't just add 2 cores like that, Coffee Lake has been developed over a pretty long time frame, before AMD even announced Ryzen.

Yes, Coffee Lake has been intended ever since Intel found that 10 nm was harder than they thought. Was it always designed to go to 6 cores though? Intel have been on 14 nm for a long time, there's no reason they couldn't have done 6 cores ages ago, yet they only decided to after AMD release an 8 core mainstream part.

AndreiD · 21 Sep 2017 at 21:02

Something as complex as a die with a few billion transistors takes years to get from design to shipping, so no doubt it was designed with 6 cores in mind. Anything probably up to Tigerlake would have already been in the design stage pre-Ryzen announcement/release.

jigger · 21 Sep 2017 at 21:40

AndreiD said:
They can't just add 2 cores like that, Coffee Lake has been developed over a pretty long time frame, before AMD even announced Ryzen.

Well if it has taken Intel 5-6 years to come up with Coffee Lake it had better a hell of a lot better than it seems and I hope they started development of its successor the week later.

jigger · 21 Sep 2017 at 21:43

AndreiD said:
Something as complex as a die with a few billion transistors takes years to get from design to shipping, so no doubt it was designed with 6 cores in mind. Anything probably up to Tigerlake would have already been in the design stage pre-Ryzen announcement/release.

It took AMD 3 years to develop Ryzen and it was a 60% jump in performance and in less than a year they plan to add 10% again and shrink the die 15%

I would be surprised if AMD have 5% of Intels budget.

Rroff · 21 Sep 2017 at 21:46

AndreiD said:
They can't really do that, any kind of reaction silicon wise to Ryzen would take 4-5 years to reach the market. The only way they can react right now is via pricing.

Not necessarily - whole architectures take years but revisions and shrinks can potentially be a few months of work - most CPU designs can scale up core count wise to a degree especially with a shrink. Often you find early/risk production you might be limited pushing the full core count, etc. of an architecture compared to matured version of the node and Intel often hold back products to make more money from the same old rope which might give them some room to retweak a product line up.

AndreiD · 21 Sep 2017 at 21:54

jigger said:
It took AMD 3 years to develop Ryzen and it was a 60% jump in performance and in less than a year they plan to add 10% again and shrink the die 15%

I would be surprised if AND have 5% of Intels budget.

I'm not sure where you got 3 years from, they started working on Zen shortly after Jim Keller re-joined the company in 2012.
Keller talks about it at an AMD event in 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOTFE7sJY-Q (it's a pretty informative video, he talks about leading the ARM & X86 teams)

jigger · 21 Sep 2017 at 22:11

If Coffee lake is best Intel can come up with in 5 years people need to be sacked.

kitfit1 · 21 Sep 2017 at 22:15

jigger said:
If Coffee lake is best Intel can come up with in 5 years people need to be sacked.

Of course peeps will be sacked. It's just that it won't be the peeps responsible with there multi £M bonuses. I'tll be the peeps in Intel's factory's.

BaroUK2 · 21 Sep 2017 at 22:23

jigger said:
What laptop will Coffee lake or Ice lake be in...

Eurocom will use Icelake.
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-z390-to-support-8c16t-cpus-in-h2-2018