Had chance to use it much? How are you finding it?Music production and 4K gaming computer
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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851
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Soldato
Music production and 4K gaming computer
Wonderful, hope it works out well for you. Please keep us updated on the build and stability etc.
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No it hasn't been installed yet, sadly, still waiting for my 1851 contact frame.
I also ordered a 9800X3D at the same time but mine's not due until December probably.
Will have to trust the gods that everything works ok.
At least I might see some performance improvements by then.
Indeed, for the Intel system you may find some bios updates out by the time you get the board.
Things will arrive, its just a matter of when
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Thinking about it, I could have built the system to test, then installed the contact frame later, but I don't like doing that, as it means more chance for something to go wrong. I am also having room insulation fitted on the house, which is due to be installed soon, so didn't want to build anything, I thought it would be easier to move stuff in it's shipping boxes to keep it safe.
Soldato
What influenced you to consider a contact frame..? I had thought that in typical use, from the little I have read, generally heat is not a great issue for these Ultra CPU's, but I'm comparing that to the thermo-nuclear heat generation capabilities of their predecessors.
Associate
There was a post on the forum that mentioned it made a nice difference to the temperatures, also from reading around the internet they also seem to be recommended.
Not 100% needed, like you said, but can make a difference.
Soldato
I ended up doing mine on my Z690 board when fitting the 14700k, not that I wanted to. But the AF III needed its own contact frame fitted for its mounts to be used to fit the AIO block.
Associate
I've just been doing some more research, apparently intel have a new Reduced load ILM and my motherboard has it, so no contact frame is needed.
I have asked Overclockers to cancel the contact frame, but keep the rest of my order.
You can see if your motherboard has it by looking at the CPU cover, it will say RL-ILM if it has one.
I have asked Overclockers to cancel the contact frame, but keep the rest of my order.
You can see if your motherboard has it by looking at the CPU cover, it will say RL-ILM if it has one.
Soldato
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Like I said, I am waiting for the interior insulation to be installed, the insulators should be round to tomorrow and hopefully starting next week.Now get on with it
Then I will build, promise
Soldato
I am not saying they should cater to every scenario, I am saying they should try to understand why the customers are not happy with their testing and try to change their testing, rather than telling the customers they are wrong.
Customers aren't wrong. You just need to work out what they really want, which isn't always clear.
I do get the point that many make, that 1080P testing is completely useless. It's building up expectations too high, when in reality the customer may not achieve anything like that difference in CPU performance in their build. They need relevant information.
Firstly you're not a customer, you're a consumer of their content. And secondly they can't cater for a minority of people who don't like the way they do things, and if you don't like it, don't watch/read it.
There's so much media that i dislike or don't agree with their values or opinions, so I just don't engage with it and move on.
Soldato
Seriously? You're number one point is semantics?
I don't think it is a "minority of people" who are finding the results pretty useless. Judging by they way they keep producing videos justifying what they do, a lot of people complain.
Nothing wrong will telling them that they are not providing the information that's needed.
Caporegime
1080P testing is relevant to anyone who wishes to know which is the best CPU for gaming, or simply to know how good it is relative to its price, its relevant to almost everyone, charts that show all CPU's the same are useful to no one. There is no point in even doing that, which is why they don't.
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A customers pays for goods or a service, you're not paying to watch their videos. They release videos for free (if you're a Patreon member you're not paying for the videos you're paying for early access or bonus stuff) and you can either watch them or not.
You can tell them what you want but they don't owe you anything. If you pay for their patreon I guess you get a bit of a say but if you like what they produce enough to pay for that you can't dislike their content too much.
It very much is a vocal minority. They are doing you a massive favour by explaining why ALL the respected reviewers test the way they do.
If you think you're right, and the tech review community is wrong, then it's time to start your own Youtube channel. You'll make a killing!
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Caporegime
But viewership is how those videos are funded - through advertising share, through sponsorships, through merch-sales, and through patreon - which means consumers are customers.
The point of reviews is to educate consumers on their purchase choices, and part of how that is done is educating consumers on how to interpret the information they're receiving. The customer being wrong is an inherent part of any communication which is intended to inform - you want them to be less wrong after they've watched your video.
On the contrary, 1080 is the most relevant to most users (since most users still use 1080p) and because it's the one which is most capable of reflecting differences in CPU performance. A CPU purchased today doesn't just need to run today's games well, it also needs to run games 4, 5, or more years in the future well. A benchmark that is GPU limited can't tell you anything about that.
True but people on 1080p are often buying towards the lower end of CPUs and in 5 years time if CPU limited you are often in a situation where the difference is reduced to like 33 FPS Vs 35 FPS or a CPU which didn't do great originally is now the more useful due to now being able to use all its cores, etc.
Personally I have a lot of problems with CPU reviews not giving enough spread of information and often misleading i.e. counter-intuitively the power use of some CPUs in gaming at 4K rises significantly over 1080p, etc.
Soldato
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Just viewing a video does not make you a customer. The correct definition of being a "customer" means that a purchase has to be made; so if one goes down the route of your further points of "merch-sales" and "patreon" then you would be correct in classing those as customers.
1080p is the most used resolution but when paired with a RTX4090 then the relevance to users goes out of the window as the number of 4090 owners that only ever game at 1080p is tiny. So it has little to do with relevance, it serves mainly to CPU limit the game as much as possible so as you correctly point out, it can be used a reliable metric in determining which CPU's may be better 3+ years down the line.