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Intel Core Ultra 9 285k 'Arrow Lake' Discussion/News ("15th gen") on LGA-1851
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You must have an amazing ability to ignore what I've posted, or maybe you have a crystal ball
Maybe you should review the article and realize they are not citing any official sources. AMD has been on a 2 year cadence for a while and Kepler also stated is a 2026 product.You must have an amazing ability to ignore what I've posted, or maybe you have a crystal ball
Who cares about some dude called Kepler.
They get clicks based on sensationalism, not facts.
If it was worth any salt, it would have been included in the Wikipedia article for Zen 6.
The problem with releasing Zen 6 in late 2026, fabbed on 3nm, is that it would clearly not be a competitive product with Intel's 18a.
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I hope it is not a load of Hallocks.
it does seem strangeZen6 is 2026. I don’t know why people that don’t like Intel products are so active on Intel threads
Soldato
Typical thing that people do these days. They don't just make a product choice, they actively pour hate at the competition and like nothing more than gloating over the fan-boys of those products.
Personally, I think it's an absolute disaster. Even if people don't like intel, they have to see that the decline like this is a very bad thing. I mean look at what AMD is charging for the 9800X3D. Over-hyped and over-priced. Alas there is no competition.
Anyway, back to intel, I do notice that there hasn't been any big announcement. Right now it's starting to look like they may resolve the instabilities, but the performance may well be stuffed. In which case, I will jump the sinking ship.
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I’ve been trying to even get a 7800x3D and it’s like 650€. Intel failing is a disaster for consumers. Especially if NVIDIA, MS and their ARM ecosystem is the way forward.
very much so AMD are not a plucky little underdog they are also a massive souless megacorp hoping to fleece you for every penny
Soldato
I'd planned on getting a new CPU/Mobo/RAM before XMAS, but intel's poor launch has wrecked that plan! I'm waiting to see if they release any fixes (and, I might add, I am getting less sure every day that they will).
I would have bought AMD, but of course you can't get theirs. Sold out.
It must be frustrating for outlets too - all these customers wanting to spend money, and nothing to spend it on.
The entire PC market seems to be bouncing from one disaster to the next, these days.
Gamers can just buy a Ryzen 7600X or 7700X for now, at least for new builds.
Vcache is still a premium product, and arguably not needed. Even 2nd hand the prices are high and availability is lacking.
The 7800X3D list price is £350, so paying any more than that is getting ripped off.
The 9800X3D list price is £449, so that CPU is probably never going to cost less than that, except for occasional offers.
There’s a 28% increase in list price between generations, with around 10% increase in gaming performance (1% lows at 1080p).
I think by keeping the numbers produced down, AMDs strategy is to hold the prices high on vcache CPUs, which they view as premium, and with no competing product from Intel.
I think in the long run, that will push many buyers to buy 2nd hand.
Vcache is still a premium product, and arguably not needed. Even 2nd hand the prices are high and availability is lacking.
The 7800X3D list price is £350, so paying any more than that is getting ripped off.
The 9800X3D list price is £449, so that CPU is probably never going to cost less than that, except for occasional offers.
There’s a 28% increase in list price between generations, with around 10% increase in gaming performance (1% lows at 1080p).
I think by keeping the numbers produced down, AMDs strategy is to hold the prices high on vcache CPUs, which they view as premium, and with no competing product from Intel.
I think in the long run, that will push many buyers to buy 2nd hand.
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Given that Intel previously operated the nastiest monopolistic dodgy business pratices that I have ever known in my lifetime I find the above posts laughable.
Last qtr earnings AMD posted profits, Not huge profits but profits and IMHO AMD is gaining market share with beter and cheaper products - gains made further as Intel hasn't the finances to operate it's 'customer discounts' 'customer retention scheme' and 'customer lock in program'. Sure AMD are striving for better profit margins but do you honestly think that AMD would or could adopt the anti competitive market practices of Intel or for that matter NVIDIA. really?
Soldato
You think that £500 for an 8 core CPU is cheaper? I think it shows that AMD are very aggressive on their pricing when there is no competition.
what a weird thing to say
History shows that companies ask (and customers pay) unreasonable money for fastest CPU or GPU on the market.
Here AMD has such a clear lead and yet asks less than [lets stay on topic] Intel for current "flagship". Or even previous flagship. Or one before that.
I get it when 9950X3D comes, will probably set a new high for desktop CPUs, but 9800X3D is quite reasonable. Not everyone needs THE fastest gaming CPU, but those who do, grabbed it immediately
I think they set the MSRP price too high for most gamers to afford (for the 9800X3D), but they can do that because it is the best gaming CPU, probably will be for some time.
The 7800X3D is much more reasonably priced, at least at MSRP.
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The Battlemage announcement reminds me, aren't we due an update on the Arrow Lake fixes any day now?
Was meant to be the end of November\Start of December so hopefully hear something soon
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The Battlemage announcement feels pretty meh, I was expecting them to launch with the x700 series GPUs (like the A770).
If they announce the new x700 series as well, maybe it will be more interesting.
They need to put out some higher power GPUs, e.g. 300w, with higher memory bandwidths.
Intel has a problem, because GPUs like the RTX 4070 Super are very power efficient, consuming just 220w.
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