Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

jigger · 26 Sep 2017 at 20:26

AndreiD said:
It's up to them to discern based on reviews if the performance jump is adequate for an upgrade, not sure why the Knights of AMD came trumpeting Intel's IPC jumps when AMD still hasn't caught up to them and has had inferior IPC for 11 years now. Maybe Zen 2 will make a difference, but until then Intel's 10nm SKUs are the best bet for i7 K Sandy owners.

What are you on about. I'm asking why you feel Intel's move to 10nm will change the landscape from what's on offer now. 10nm is to drive mobile CPU sale.

AndreiD · 26 Sep 2017 at 20:39

@jigger you kept derailing this tread to fluff up Ryzen because its higher core counts, 10nm will supposedly bring 8 core Intel parts to mainstream. An 8 core with Kaby/Coffee or higher IPC would be a pretty good upgrade from a Sandy, it shouldn't be hard to understand what I was saying.

Doobedoo · 26 Sep 2017 at 20:44

AndreiD said:
@jigger you kept derailing this tread to fluff up Ryzen because its higher core counts, 10nm will supposedly bring 8 core Intel parts to mainstream. An 8 core with Kaby/Coffee or higher IPC would be a pretty good upgrade from a Sandy, it shouldn't be hard to understand what I was saying.

Isn't Ice lake on 10nm and isn't that supposed to be a new architecture? Should be decent gains unless they have any issues.

AndreiD · 26 Sep 2017 at 20:46

I'm taking the worst case scenario, even if it's 8 Kaby/Coffee cores, it should be a pretty good jump over Sandy.

Doobedoo · 26 Sep 2017 at 20:48

In what respect?

jigger · 26 Sep 2017 at 21:03

AndreiD said:
@jigger you kept derailing this tread to fluff up Ryzen because its higher core counts, 10nm will supposedly bring 8 core Intel parts to mainstream. An 8 core with Kaby/Coffee or higher IPC would be a pretty good upgrade from a Sandy, it shouldn't be hard to understand what I was saying.

Yeah moving from a quad to an octo core would be a pretty good upgrade. It just funny how you make out that a slight bump in IPC is critical or a move to a smaller laptop focused design is worth waiting for when we already have as good or better options now.

BTVA · 26 Sep 2017 at 21:26

8 core 1151 cpu is pretty amazing

jigger · 26 Sep 2017 at 21:31

BTVA said:
8 core 1151 cpu is pretty amazing

Yeah it could be if it isn't Skylake + 4 with a ring bus and dual channel memory. If it's a MESH chip then... well we already have those.

esoteric · 26 Sep 2017 at 22:07

I'm really put off buying Coffee Lake knowing that 8 cores will be mainstream within 8 months.

Brazo · 26 Sep 2017 at 22:12

esoteric said:
I'm really put off buying Coffee Lake knowing that 8 cores will be mainstream within 8 months.

Really they won't.

That's only in the heads of the enthusiast set.

Perfect_Chaos · 26 Sep 2017 at 22:35

Brazo said:
Really they won't.

That's only in the heads of the enthusiast set.

8 cores with Ice Lake apparently, on the mainstream platform. Probably is accurate.

smilingcrow · 26 Sep 2017 at 23:02

jigger said:
What is another respin to 10nm realistically going to bring to Intel?
We went from 32 to 14nm and seen 15% ish gains. Unless Intel move to 10nm with a new architecture I can't see 10nm improving performance much at all.

The usual at this stage; more cores at a similar speed and TDP.
Anything more than that is a bonus for Intel as they seem stalled.
That simple.

AndreiD said:
@jigger you kept derailing this tread to fluff up Ryzen because its higher core counts..

Fluffing as in sucking A Massive D***.

jigger · 26 Sep 2017 at 23:05

smilingcrow said:
The usual at this stage; more cores at a similar speed and TDP.
Anything more than that is a bonus for Intel as they seem stalled.
That simple.

Fluffing as in sucking A Massive D***.

Well clock speed seems to have gone down a little and as Intel are now pushing a laptop chip power has actually gone up.

AndreiD · 27 Sep 2017 at 00:34

Clock speeds have been going up if you look at Skylake-X vs Broadwell-E and Kaby Lake vs Skylake for similar sized dies or similar core counts.
According to their 10nm presentation they tout early 10nm as having 'transistor performance' in between 14nm+ (Kaby/Skylake-X) and 14nm++ (Coffee), only early 10nm SKUs will be mobile chips, same as they've done with all of their recent node shrinks.

Simon Belmont · 27 Sep 2017 at 05:51

esoteric said:
I'm really put off buying Coffee Lake knowing that 8 cores will be mainstream within 8 months.

I doubt you'll see 8 core that soon.

Coffeelake should last until icelake 2020 (or around that time)

Brazo · 27 Sep 2017 at 08:07

Perfect_Chaos said:
8 cores with Ice Lake apparently, on the mainstream platform. Probably is accurate.

Perhaps but that won't automatically mean they become mainstream. I bet it will still be quads on the steam survey when icelake is out.

gavinh87 · 27 Sep 2017 at 08:15

Kaby/skylake to work on z370 in future updates?

Simon Belmont · 27 Sep 2017 at 08:25

gavinh87 said:
Kaby/skylake to work on z370 in future updates?

I hope this happens?

Boomstick777 · 27 Sep 2017 at 08:29

8700K seems to be power hungry, runs hot, massively overpriced for it's tier. Previous i7 mainstream chips were £280 at launch. Force to you to buy yet another motherboard. So Intel give you literally nothing extra for another gen yet again..

People are excited?

Marketing is genius.

gavinh87 · 27 Sep 2017 at 08:34

Boomstick777 said:
8700K seems to be power hungry, runs hot, massively overpriced for it's tier. Previous i7 mainstream chips were £280 at launch. Force to you to buy yet another motherboard. So Intel give you literally nothing extra for another gen yet again..

People are excited?

Marketing is genius.

Much higher single threaded speed is what is keeping people interested in intel. Until there is something that can match it then this will continue to be the case.
You are getting 2 more cores and 4 more threads for your money.......