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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017
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The main difference I noticed is when pascal launched, in the states the expected happened and older generation hardware went at clearance prices.
In the UK the prices were hiked up instead.
Of course pascal also cost more than the states anyway when comparing exchange rates. But thats always been the case long term with the UK, hiking old generation prices took me by surprise.
Even now on OCUK (and other sites) 900 series cards cost more than their 1000 counterparts.
You could argue there is market failure in the UK, as we seem to get a race to the top instead of bottom on pricing, very worrying trends visible on PC part picker. One vendor up's the price then the others follow.
That could have more to do with lack of stock here in the UK than anything else. Don't forget the USA market gets anything before us, we are very low down in the "food chain".
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Can we get back on track please? 
Can we get back on track please?
But it wouldn't be a proper forum if we didn't go "off track" at the odd time lol
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But it wouldn't be a proper forum if we didn't go "off track" at the odd time lol
Agreed! May depend on for how long and how far though
Thats the difference, their prices dont change based on stock levels.
Intel are never going to match AMD's pricing.
So the choice will always be there, pay premium for intel or go for bang for buck with AMD.
Intel still has the edge on per core performance thanks to their better overclocking so the premium price wont kill sales.
So the choice will always be there, pay premium for intel or go for bang for buck with AMD.
Intel still has the edge on per core performance thanks to their better overclocking so the premium price wont kill sales.
Can we get back on track please?
We can go back to discussing whether we have milk and sugar in our coffee or not if you like
But ok, on topic, I'm waiting on CL to see what they overclock to. Nearly everything I do favours 1-2 fast threads, so if I can have 6c/12t with high clocks, that's more useful to me than 8c/16t Ryzen @ 3.9ghz. On the other hand, I really don't want a bigger power draw than my old Sandy. I have cooling issues already because I despise fan noise (hence only a modest 4.3 overclock), so it's GOT to run cooler to be of value. If it turns out to be hot coffee, I'll go Ryzen now for the multi-thread and hope Zen+ takes the clocks up without demanding a new motherboard.
I don't care too much about price 'within reason'... I just want a decent upgrade in all scenarios. If Intel want to charge £200 more but deliver 20% better performance in the same TDP, I guess I'd fork it out. Deliver 20% more performance for 40% more TDP and they can gtfo.
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Why not use a good AIO on it Eddie, with quiet fans? With mine I can game for hours and the hottest core is only 56C, the others 53C. And that's with warm weather as well. And I don't hear the unit at all and it's right next to me.
I'll be using that same cooler for CFL but will upgrade the fans from a quiet edition to venturi.
Having cooling issues because disliking fan noise sounds worrisome (having issues does).
I'll be using that same cooler for CFL but will upgrade the fans from a quiet edition to venturi.
Having cooling issues because disliking fan noise sounds worrisome (having issues does).
I have a 240mm AIO already. I can turn the fans up more, but then they start to annoy me
I think the problem is 4x8gb of 1866 memory. Had to punch the memory controller volts up quite a lot to get that running stable and it sort of ran away with the temps. With just two sticks and lower volts, I had it up to 4.8 and staying under 80, but I genuinely use 32gb and can't go back from that now :/On the up side I get more noise tolerant as I get older, so eventually I'll be deaf and happy
I have a 240mm AIO already. I can turn the fans up more, but then they start to annoy me
On the up side I get more noise tolerant as I get older, so eventually I'll be deaf and happy
earmuffs with 4000rpm fans
serious note, have you replaced the stock fans on your AIO? you can often reduce temps by a few degrees by using better fans, that are normally quieter.
for example on my h115i setup I replaced the stock corsair fans with ml140s, which are far far quieter, and only need to run at 1000rpm for the same cooling, literially silent.
Yeah, I had some alternatives in the original order (Antec Kuhler 1220) because I could sense that the ones that came with would be like hoovers - and indeed they were! I'm actually surprised by how loud Antec thought it was acceptable to be, because nobody in their right minds would put up with that racket :/ Annoyingly I don't think there will be an AM4 bracket for it either
To be fair, at this point, I don't much care for spending any more money optimising this old setup. I want to move it on to at least 6c/12t in the near future, the question is only whether Covfefe Lake or Ryzen is more favourable. If Ryzen reliably clocked to 4.5 I'd already have bought it... but right now with a probable OC of 3.9, it's kind of a side-grade on single thread tasks, even if it's a massive upgrade on multi; hence hesitating to see what Intel can counter with. On the up side, Ryzen's are only 65w parts and nobody is moaning about how hard it is to cool them...
Yeah, I had some alternatives in the original order (Antec Kuhler 1220) because I could sense that the ones that came with would be like hoovers - and indeed they were! I'm actually surprised by how loud Antec thought it was acceptable to be, because nobody in their right minds would put up with that racket :/ Annoyingly I don't think there will be an AM4 bracket for it either
To be fair, at this point, I don't much care for spending any more money optimising this old setup. I want to move it on to at least 6c/12t in the near future, the question is only whether Covfefe Lake or Ryzen is more favourable. If Ryzen reliably clocked to 4.5 I'd already have bought it... but right now with a probable OC of 3.9, it's kind of a side-grade on single thread tasks, even if it's a massive upgrade on multi; hence hesitating to see what Intel can counter with. On the up side, Ryzen's are only 65w parts and nobody is moaning about how hard it is to cool them...
depends how coffeelake is going to perform, it's kabylake+2 cores but on a more refined node, so should drop power consumption down a tad.
fwiw the 7820x skylake x seems to run in the 60s during benchmarks at 4.8ghz, so at 4.5ghz the 8700k should be cooler as it's drawing less power and won't have avx512 to push it harder.
what should happen and what will happen could be 2 very different things, and in this conversation skylake x means bugger all.
So at worst, it would be 7700k + 50% and at best (allowing for refined process), 7700k + 25%.
Assuming equivalent clocks.
No way are you going to get that kind of drop in power consumption, especially at the high clocks used on the i7-K CPUs, when using the same node (however improved it might be).
Source please? The only temperature assessments I can find are for the i7-7900X, which gets in the low 70s on air at stock (4 GHz) in Handbrake (let alone Prime or other more taxing benchmarks) and 90+ when at 4.5 GHz using a 240 mm AIO.
Hell the i7-7800X uses as much power undeer load as the R7 1800X despite having two fewer cores (at essentially the same clock speed)! Intel's rush for MHz is costing them in both power consumption and temperatures; it's pretty clear that AMD has the more efficient design, at least up to 4 GHz (can't test any higher since Ryzen doesn't clock any higher).