*** iPhone 5 - Revealed! ***

SteveOBHave said:
It doesn't just come down to personal preference. For sure it plays a part in it but it's also a very objective thing. The argument about the realities of the devices certainly comes into play even when the subjective nature of personal preference may hold the overriding sway on the final purchase decision.
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I think it does very much rest on preferences when the current differences are as small as they are (generally).

SteveOBHave said:
I think your observation is a bit biased and ignores the case that many Apple users are unable to be critical about the devices that they are presented with (by Apple) and also the various nuances of the Apple ecosystem, be they positive or negative. The same can be said for Android and the Google ecosystem. The ability to differentiate the two and actually be objective seems to escape most people including you. Personal preference is all well and good but it shouldn't interrupt with good objective observation nor should it ignore the fact that everyone is entitled to an opinion.
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I don't see how I'm being biased. I haven't said Apple users are infallible, there are hordes of blind idiots as people describe, but not so much on this forum in particular. The same can be said of XDA Developers when it comes to Android matters, too.

I can comfortably differentiate between them. I can also accept why some people may prefer one over the other, even if I don't agree. This is where the problem lies, with acceptance.

SteveOBHave said:
There is a real sense of "I want to love my Apple devices regardless of objectivity so please just leave us alone in our Apple section to spread the self love around among other like minds". Forgive me, but I thought that this was a public forum. Being such should mean that we have a freedom to post our opinions where and when we like?
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That's a by-product of having an Apple forum. From the off, they aren't considered as a 'normal' manufacturer, they're given a special section. Which is good and bad.

SteveOBHave said:
There is a great irony in pointing out that Android fanboys are very fanatic in their defence of 'their OS of choice' because I'd observe very similar behaviour in many Apple fanboys would you not?
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Yes, I do, but not so much on here.

SteveOBHave said:
Is it not possible that some of the objective observation is actually fact driven, makes a good point (regardless if it paints Apple in a bad light) and highlights somewhere that Apple could well improve upon? If it's all about personal preference then why should you get so wound up about people pointing out various aspects of the devices? It seems to me that you would like to be paying your money to get the 'best device' and having someone point it out that you're actually just getting the best Apple device makes you uncomfortable. Of course this shouldn't matter because it's all 'personal preference'...
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Of course some of it is fact driven, I haven't said it isn't. You seem to have taken my post somewhat the wrong way.

I'm mostly talking about people who don't actually offer anything for discussion, they just bait and whine. There is a very clear difference between discussing the pros and cons of something and posting how terrible it is in order to irritate people and stifle discussion.
 
Steedie said:
In my slumber I may have missed a post about it, but...

Nano-sims...yay or nay?
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In what sense? They do exist, but are they needed? Who knows really, I doubt they free up much internal space personally but they may do.

You need one for this phone.
 
Lakeland said:
A special section? That's a bit strong, apple phones only got their own section to stop arguments like this occurring, not because they are in any way superior.
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I don't mean 'special' as in retarded :p, just that people may perceive things differently due to how this forum handles the Apple situation, for example, keeping the iPhone and iPad stuff out of the mobiles & tablets section.
 
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However.....

Whats all this about £25 for an adapter for the charger? I currently have a charger at work, one at home, one at my desk, a dock in my car and a speaker dock. Are Apple really suggesting i have to either

a) Spend £125 just to maintain the same level of convenience or
b) Spend £25 on one and carry it round absolutely everywhere?

Thats on top of whatever o2 want to charge me to upgrade?

I have no issue with Apple changing the connection but is this not taking the pee a little?
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£25 for an adapter does seem a lot. Someone (can't remember if it was on here) said they should be selling them at cost, to make it easier for people.

They obviously aren't doing that.

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Also in practical terms i do question the need to continue to make things "slimmer and lighter" rather than truly up the battery levels? I do a bit of travelling where i may spend most of the day on planes and trains and i really struggle to use the phone as a true ipod replacement because by the end of the day the battery runs down to such an extent that i feel i could be compromising the device being used as a phone so i end up taking both ipod and iphone with me. In practical terms a major shift in battery life and an increase in storage capacity would have been far more of a "game changer" than just trying to make it look a bit different.

I know in reality i will probably upgrade but for the first time i do feel a bit cheated by Apple, and i say that as someone with a number of Apple products.
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At the moment, not that much is known about the battery. Just because it's thin doesn't mean it won't pack a well sized battery, and the CPU should be very good for power efficiency, so it should be an improvement on the 4S at the very least.

Whether it will be much better than the iPhone 4 (for you) remains to be seen.
 
SteveOBHave said:
I dunno, I took it to be that you were sick of people with differing opinions coming in and sullying the Apple love in... To be fair you did use some pretty emotive language and it was aimed pretty squarely at Android users.
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Love in? This thread is pretty much negative for the most part. It wasn't aimed squarely at Android users. I'm an Android user myself and think it's fantastic, but that doesn't exempt the behaviour of others.

SteveOBHave said:
I think it's worth pointing out that there are no Blackberry users or Windows Mobile users in here, in fact the OS's are largely ignored, and I'd suggest that is because they aren't that good. With both iOS and Android the 'fanboyism' is bred from an overwhelming factor -they're both very good operating systems, unfortunately for Apple they have chosen to capitalise on their market share by making a very small evolution of the iPhone. They were behind the game long before the Galaxy S2 came out and they're falling even further behind because they have locked themselves into a deep seated ecosystem corral. They simply can't afford to alienate either their users or their developers whereas Google has based their OS on a broad, largely unfettered and varied base which means that diversity is their friend. Change is good for them.
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I think the Windows Phone situation may change with the Lumia 920, it seems to be impressing.

I wouldn't say they are far behind the game, if at all. If you consider the Galaxy S2 > S3 upgrade, the differences are fairly similar. Samsung got slated for that as well, and even more so as people felt they took the design backwards and not forwards.

SteveOBHave said:
This is not to take away from the iPhone being a brilliant device and having an excellent level of intuitiveness. That I believe is inarguable, but the fact that it has not appreciably changed in the last 3-4 years, that is also inarguable. Customers want something new and flashy, they want to be blown away like they were when the iPhone and iPad first made an appearance - to quote a reviewer "they have simply left people whelmed".
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I do agree, but when I ask myself what more they could have added, I can't think of much really.

Look at ICS to Jelly Bean, it's refinement and evolution from Google, not revolution. Much like iOS 5 > 6.

Apple have an extremely popular product here and I wouldn't call the iOS development 'stagnation', more deliberate, gentle evolution of something that people like.
 
v0n said:
Those adaptors look useless as well. If have your car wired for iphone with cradle or an iphone shape dock moulded into hifi, there is no way on earth you can possibly fit an inch tall adapter inbetween old socket and the phone. Crazy. Just crazy. Killed the product for millions of people.
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Yeah, I was thinking about that. It's quite a huge move (that they arguably didn't need to make).
 
SteveOBHave said:
Personally, other than some functional streamlining, I don't think that there is much that needs to be added to iOS but at this stage it doesn't make a huge amount of difference. The hardware is effectively the same (aesthetically) and the OS looks identical. The gentle evolution is all well and good but, like I've said earlier, people like to think that they're getting a new device when they upgrade. It still looks virtually the same as the first iphone. Apple did an amazing job in creating a stunningly simple and well structured OS (with the hardware they had to work with) and effectively cornered themselves by making it counter intuitive to change anything. They've added to the mess by suing the pants off anyone when they 'copied' from Apple so they can't 'borrow' great functionality nor operational streamlining. They're between the proverbial rock and hard place IMO.
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Well, iOS is fundamentally designed as a platform to launch apps from.

The software innovation is meant to lie within the various apps. Google have gone further than this with Android and sort of tied the OS into the apps more so than Apple via widgets and the greater degree of phone control that Android apps can have.

I like iOS for the simple nature of it, and the unified feel, but Google aren't far away from that with Jelly Bean on the Galaxy Nexus, it really is excellent.

As for what Apple could do, I'm not sure really... I think they'll be okay for the moment with keeping the innovation within the apps themselves. Perhaps some new icons though, the current ones are 'iconic', I guess, but a change wouldn't be a bad idea. Perhaps some live icons like the live tiles on WP8; so that the weather could change on the icon itself, for example. Hardly amazing innovation but a few small things like that would go a long way.
 
sarge78 said:
Could you change that to full US LTE, limited worldwide 4G LTE.

The iPhone 5 only supports 1800Mhz in the EU. That's quite big omission for those looking for complete LTE coverage over the next few years.
All the other EU LTE phones, like the Nokia Lumia 920, Samsung Galaxy S3 LTE and One XL, support the major European LTE frequencies (800/1800/2600) for full coverage.
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Done.
 
Sam said:
When are we able to pre order on o2, any ideas?

Why cant i just place my order with o2 and just receive when i have stock, hope i don't have to keep ringing to see if they have stock as thats a right pita.

Sam
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If I had to guess, it'll be on Friday.
 
Sam said:
Cool :)

Guessing it will be first come first serve?. I'm probably best off just waiting until the hype dies down and then making an order. Id like a white one too and I'm guessing they wont be available for a while as historically black is always released first.

Sam
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I imagine so, though with the networks you're never really sure what they are doing.

The white and black will be released at the same time, no delays.
 
dansew123 said:
Anyone managed to order a nano-sim from 02 yet? Can't see anything about it on the 02 website
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Yes, a chap on here did earlier. I think you have to contact them and they'll send you one.

gjrc said:
can someone tell me if the general reception is going to be better than the IP4.

my current phone just doesn't work well enough as a phone! its great for other stuff but they forget about its basic use...!!
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The 4S was an improvement and this should be even better, or at least as good, so yes.
 
Prices on Orange (for decent data plans - 'The Works'):

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As I understand it, that doesn't include the 4G compatibility, so that will be extra. I'd guess it will be £10 extra on top of whatever of the above contracts you have.

The prices seem reasonably okay, far from cheap but not the massive rip-off it could have been.
 
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