Is anyone else staying up for the US presidential debate?

Wouldn't surprise me if Romney won the 'debates' as such. His background leads him to be more polished, professional, and a better speaker.

That said, he's had so many issues with what he has said recently that frankly I'd worry massively if he was elected.

The big issue with Romney is he'll probably get quite a bit of the deep south support.

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Surely that is the very definition of failure?

No, Mitch McConnell stated a long time ago "the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.". If the Republicans aren't going to be bipartisan, as a matter of principal, there's not a lot he can do.
 
i thought romney looked terrible, but tbh even the greatest guy would look that way when standing up against obama.

obama stuttered a few times, hardly anything major but i guess that may appear as a lack of confidence perhaps. romney seemed to promise the world, without giving away details, and then contradicts himself.
 
Romney apparently. I'm always surprised that the British are so interested in American politics, when most Americans wouldn't be able to name one British politician.

Because England does whatever the American pres tells us to, the American pres knows the England PM will do anything asked of him.

A different US president effects us a lot, a different PM here doesn't mean anything to them over there ;)
 
i thought romney looked terrible, but tbh even the greatest guy would look that way when standing up against obama.

obama stuttered a few times, hardly anything major but i guess that may appear as a lack of confidence perhaps. romney seemed to promise the world, without giving away details, and then contradicts himself.

Obama has done nothing but promise the world, he beat Hillary to the democratic nomination by promising to pull out of Iraq the day he takes office, pretty much the day after he got the nomination he was pulling back that "lie", which got him a nobel peace prize simply for saying... which we all knew was impossible. HIllary, Bush and McCain all gave a realistic timeframe for pulling out of Iraq, incidentally the same timeframe obama was giving from around halfway between the nomination and being elected president. Giving a guy a nobel peace prize, for publically making a lie repeatedly, to win an election... before he followed through on pulling out of Iraq, let alone doing it at a later date :(

What else did Obama promise, a massive push for green power, with some, I forget exactly what, completely ridiculous idea that X% of the US's power usage will come from green power in like 2035. A stupid promise, that is unattainable and couldn't be proven false sill 20 years or so after his potential second term was finished. Even then the goals that were set for this early on have failed to be met.

Everything he is promising is your daft ivy league teenagers ultra liberal stupid view of the world. IE someone in college who gets involved in daft protests and thinks they can completely change everything.... Pie in the sky is one thing as an ideal to aspire to.... we should all want completely green power, its entirely another to PROMISE it in campaigns, its nothing short of lying or delusion.

I can't stand Romney, I can't stand republicans, I can't stand democrats, one actively supports big business, the other lies about it, they both do it. Defense spending has increased significantly under Obama IIRC........

One lies about reasons for being at war, the other denounces it.... yet American's defense spending inreases and Mr Peace Prize is still at war and his army is still killing people around the world daily.

There is the middle where the government is, WANTS to be, and does their work(supporting big business and people staying rich), then there are polarized voters, who either hate business or love business, so the government basically has two completely polar opposite "sides" for the americans to vote for.... while blindly ignoring the same outcomes no matter who they vote for.

It's not that I entirely blame Obama, it wasn't him who made war a business, but it is. England and America will find wars and reasons to get into them, made up or real because defense spending is HUGE in both budgets, if we stopped getting into wars and stopped needing to spend, almost all the defence companies would go out of business... thousands, maybe millions of jobs lost, hit on the economy. Sure less innocent civilians dead in Iraq, and a few more Taliban alive, but of course far less people wanting to join the Taliban in the first place.... but american's would have to find new jobs, and billionaires wouldn't be making so many billions and we can't have that. When War became a business, we were all screwed and global peace became a complete pipedream. While economies rest on defense spending and billionaires who run defence companies have such monumental influence on politics, Iraq won't be even close to the last war started on a lie.
 
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The Obama administration has constantly stabbed the UK in the back but no one seems to care because he's a cool guy and not a republican :cool:

The list of things that happened with the BP fiasco was laughable, american's failed to regulate the industry because apparently like £38 was the budget of the guys checking the rigs, american politicians involved in the "more" responsible companies that caused the disaster, but BP get all the blame.
 
I think it's pretty clear that Romney won. It doesn't matter if he's all sizzle and no sausage, many swing voters won't see past the salesman exterior.

a different PM here doesn't mean anything to them over there ;)

Oh yes they do! If you want proof look back at the stories that came out with the Wikileaks Department of State memo leaks.
 
What's the point?

American politics is nothing more than a comedy show at this point, only morons watch it for seriousness and others who want to laugh at the state of the United States system.
 
Was impressed with Romney. Let's be honest, he's in a different league to G.W. Bush in terms of his ability to string a sentence together and look presidential. Yes, his policies are a little vague (hollow even) but he was confident and assertive and at least gave the impression he knew what he talking about. Obama looked flat and his attempts at adding the personal touch (anniversary, grandma, etc) felt really forced.

Purely as a test of character - and policy aside - my opinion of Romney went up a few notches and Obama went down a couple.

Looking forward to the foreign policy debate - I have a feeling Romney is going to boss that one while Obama will be a bit "wishy-washy" :)

Just to add - I don't support either party and I can't vote anyway!
 
The biggest problem for Obama is that he has a disadvantage that he cannot do anything about and that will unfortunately and sadly in a modern society be a major issue for a large proportion of the American public, and that is his colour.

I think that is the only reason that someone as weak as Romney can even run against someone like Obama, with any hope of success.
 
I think vague is very generous, outright lies is probably more accurate but it's all in the delivery!
I don't know whether to laugh or cry about the fact that Obama was, effectively, debating a different candidate to the one that took part in nearly twenty primary Republican primary debates debates... It is literally unbelievable how much he has changed tack, and even more unbelievable that more people aren't talking about it.
 
Out of interest how well do you think our MPs would stack against Romney or Obama debating wise? I think Cameron would do well against both.

Given the way in which British politics is conducted in the House, I suspect that just about any British MP would wipe the floor with them.....just look at that nutter George Galloway, even he gave them a run for their money.
 
Just saw this tweet that pretty much sums up my thoughts:

i get the feeling than who increased the amount of spying on US citizens to the point of having thousands of warrantless wiretaps with no resorn recorded probably avoids telling the truth a lot.
 
I don't know whether to laugh or cry about the fact that Obama was, effectively, debating a different candidate to the one that took part in nearly twenty primary Republican primary debates debates... It is literally unbelievable how much he has changed tack, and even more unbelievable that more people aren't talking about it.
The worst part is he was, in essence, debating a different candidate to yesterday-Romney and tomorrow-Romney.

Time after time, Romney will go on TV or make public appearances and say one thing, only to have 'advisors' basically say "No, that's not actually what we're going to do, but it's an option - trust me". I think the reason for this head-spinning flip-flopping performance is that the conservative base doesn't like or trust him, so where a 'normal' candidate would do the classic 'appeal to the base in the primary, shift to the center for the election' - Romney is having to do that every single day with the result that every time he opens his mouth you never know quite which Romney you are going to get :p
 
i get the feeling than who increased the amount of spying on US citizens to the point of having thousands of warrantless wiretaps with no resorn recorded probably avoids telling the truth a lot.

You could probably say that about many politicians. I'm not Obama crazy but of the two, he's the least worst.

It'd be the same for me if we had a UK election now. There's no one I "like", so I'd just vote for the person I dislike the least.
 
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