Is it ok to be proud to be white?

rubberduck · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:13

Or does that automatically make you racist?

I do not think that this would ever be acceptable for a white person to say. What do you think?

Rotty · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:14

you are not allowed to be proud to be white, male or straight these days

well that's not actually correct, you are supposed to be ashamed of being any (or all) of them

In reality I would never say I am proud to be white but for no reason other than it's what you are and not something you have achieved

Thekwango · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:14

is it ok to be proud to be a ****.....i'm a **** and utterly proud of that fact. make of that what you will

Thekwango · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:15

Rotty said:
you are not allowed to be proud to be white, male or straight these days

lol but true

Ayahuasca · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:18

I don’t have any qualms with people being proud about it as long as they aren’t harming anyone else.

For myself, pride comes from things I’ve done, not something I was born with or into.

Nitefly · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:20

At the very least, it would be really weird. I'm not proud of being white. I don't really think in terms of race at all, actually.

You can be proud of your achievements in spite of your race, I guess? A crap example but, say, Eminem being proud how far he has come despite being white (when rap music was dominated by non-white artists). Not really the same thing, and in any case I don't think that applies to many white British people.

JBod · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:25

I would link to Louis CK but it probably contains swearies. But he said that if he got an option to reup, he would always be a western white male as its like living life on cheat mode.

Its not about being proud of the colour of your skin its about being proud of your culture and heritage.

something daft already!! · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:25

I am neither proud or ashamed, I just am.

FoxEye · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:26

Rotty said:
you are not allowed to be proud to be white, male or straight these days

well that's not actually correct, you are supposed to be ashamed of being any (or all) of them

In reality I would never say I am proud to be white but for no reason other than it's what you are and not something you have achieved

Ashamed and guilty.

You're supposed to feel guilty for being white and/or male. Doubly so if you're middle-aged. And if you're straight on top of that you're basically stealing candy from babies.

We're supposed to feel collective guilt for (allegedly) having everything just handed to us. And also for historical crimes and injustices. It is all our fault, collectively, regardless of how long ago it happened.

And what's more - it's OK to hate us and blame us for everything.

But the above is only true if you read the Guardian and find yourself nodding along as you do so

Domi · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:26

rubberduck said:
Or does that automatically make you racist?

Of course it does not automatically make you racist.

it does of course give an indication that you probably are.

Dis86 · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:29

My skin colour isn't something I have feelings about as it's not something I can influence. Culture, yeah, I can choose it and influence it.

FBi7 · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:32

You're allowed to be proud of whatever you are, as long as it's not straight, white, British and/or male.

FoxEye · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:32

Nitefly said:
At the very least, it would be really weird. I'm not proud of being white. I don't really think in terms of race at all, actually.

You can be proud of your achievements in spite of your race, I guess? A crap example but, say, Eminem being proud how far he has come despite being white (when rap music was dominated by non-white artists). Not really the same thing, and in any case I don't think that applies to many white British people.

It's funny how context changes everything.

Nobody would bat an eyelid if you had said, "I'm proud of being black." It would not have connotations of racial superiority. Instead it would elicit feelings of self-respect, overcoming the odds, etc.

If a person says, "I'm proud of being white" then immediately the suspicion is that that person holds feelings of racial superiority.

It's just how it is. I think it's really obvious why this is the case (once you apply context), but it's worth pointing out regardless.

[FnG]magnolia · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:33

Ayahuasca said:
I don’t have any qualms with people being proud about it as long as they aren’t harming anyone else.

For myself, pride comes from things I’ve done, not something I was born with or into.

Dear Diary,

Very concerned that I'm agreeing with Ayahuasca.

Pretty strong bait from RD there, though! That's tremendous, great energy, many such cases! We

FoxEye · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:34

[FnG]magnolia said:
Dear Diary,

Very concerned that I'm agreeing with Ayahuasca.

Pretty strong bait from RD there, though! That's tremendous, great energy, many such cases! We

I think you accidentally the end of your -

FBi7 · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:36

FoxEye said:
I think you accidentally the end of your -

...make delivery post?

Nitefly · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:38

FoxEye said:
It's funny how context changes everything.

Nobody would bat an eyelid if you had said, "I'm proud of being black." It would not have connotations of racial superiority. Instead it would elicit feelings of self-respect, overcoming the odds, etc.

If a person says, "I'm proud of being white" then immediately the suspicion is that that person holds feelings of racial superiority.

It's just how it is. I think it's really obvious why this is the case (once you apply context), but it's worth pointing out regardless.

I suppose it's because white people face, on the whole, less adversity than other races do. For what it's worth, I think "I'm proud of being black" has to be interpreted in the context of how it's said and what's being said before and after.

Domi · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:39

FBi7 said:
You're allowed to be proud of whatever you are, as long as it's not straight, white, British and/or male.

Is it that your not allowed ?

Or that simply being proud of being average or the norm is frankly a bit strange.

Malevolence · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:47

rubberduck said:
Is it ok to be proud to be white?

Of course it is.

mrbazmondo · 23 Mar 2018 at 23:48

Do you mean you're proud of accomplishing being white, or you think you're superior to those that are not white?