ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

h4rm0ny said:
What's most strange to me is the way you seem to align critics of our actions in Syria with being "woke". Do I come across as a "woke" type individual? Does Sooty? It's bizarre that you seem to think this is the faction (for want of a better term) that you're opposing in this conversation. Most of the populist Right (which I somewhat fall into) are pretty isolationist and just want us out of the quagmire of the Middle East. But you come across as if you think the people you're criticising are the hyper-woke, can't criticise Islam, pride-in-your-nation-is-racism crowd. Can't speak for Sooty but it's weird if that's how you see it.
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The ocpw report he keeps harping on about discusses the use of chlorine over sarin, in what appears to be one example in this case. It's hardly ground breaking and it doesn't scratch the surface on all the heinous stuff assad did. Then we have the constant reiteration about the white helmets being funded by alleged underhand means. Other than that, the spam bot isn't really bringing much else to the conversation, it's simply an agenda push and, hilariously, he seems to think his opinion is more important than it actually is.

The issue I have is that the likes of yourselves, you are detracting from the fact that assad has caused many atrocities, but you choose to dilute that fact with misinformation and a pro assad push of tripe they've garnered third hand from sites that hold a clear agenda (check the about us section... "we don't have an agenda, honest"). What the site linked is doing is taking the ocpw report, and interpreting it in a way that suits their bias. All along, rejecting anything else that does not suit. It's classic social media propaganda churn.

The woke remarks refer to the fact that the likes of EvilSooty are reposting this like they've had a sudden revelation. Like this is sudden, compelling news and that because they've decided that the BBC hasn't reported on it, there must be foul play and a cover-up on the cards. The lack of critical thinking is apparent. The monotonous roundabout of tripe is tedious. Like I said, I've been engaging in this monotony for years now, so forgive me that I choose to rather just point, laugh, and generally refuse to waste my time entertaining anything more with the propaganda sheep.
 
You do realise the Russian backed campaign to discredit the white helmets has been an ongoing social media campaign since 2015? You're out of touch and quite behind with your conspiracy theory push.
 
EvilSooty said:
The leaked engineering report from the OPCW, not OCPW, is important as it completely contradicts the official report in a way that can't be reconciled. I doubt you have read either, but I'll sum it up for you.

Official report: chlorine gas cylinders alleged to have released the chlorine in the Douma attack that killed 40 or so people appeared consistent with having been dropped from the air.

Implication? As the jihadi rebels didn't have an airforce it was the Syrian Army that dropped it.

Leaked report (that was not made public): gas cylinders do not appear to have been dropped from the air and the only plausible explanation was that they were manually placed there.

Implication? The people in control of the area at the time placed them, i.e. the jihadi rebels, to stage an attack. Why? Well, gee, possibly to trigger Western military strikes?

What other way is there of interpreting the leaked report?

A lot of the evidence for the alleged attack came from the White Helmets hence why they are discredited.

Again, you keep going on about the people who leaked the report as if it that is in anyway relevant. The report is genuine and damning - it speaks for itself as a primary source.
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It's important to know who is disseminating this alleged report and what their backgrounds are. Then we can come to some conclusions as to the credibility of the views that they are then forming from said "report". You're just sucked into the whirlwind of misinformation. You yearn to have found something others haven't. I'm afraid to tell you that you simply lack critical thought and you've been caught up in a propaganda machine that started once Russian military intervention began in Syria. (I can't assume you're part of that machine, that would be too generous of me).
 
Rroff said:
I am not defending the White Helmets at all - just because I disagree over a point about them doesn't mean I support them or disagree as to the origins of their existence and funding.
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You're arguing with a guy/girl who puts two and two together and gets two. She thinks because we bomb targets that some Islamic terrorists are fighting we must be those terrorist allies. How black and white the world must seem to her!

Alas, I just think they're using this thread as a tool to spread more misinformation, just like their heroes like Vanessa Beeley. It's a sorry state of affairs. This thread used to be good for discussion about the topic of ISIS. Not for spamming of propaganda and conspiracy theory.
 
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