ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Confirmed Crab by sideway evasion of questions. Which 5 star hotel are you roughing it in today?

Much more assumption, which still adds nothing to do with the topic of discussion and proof that some of our lower echelons are more interested in swinging their epeens whilst possessing the equivalent intellect of a chimp (you're embarrassing).
 
Amazing. I love how the US carefully search out key targets and use pinpoint accuracy to take them out while Russia just bombs everything with a beard.

Out of interest, what would you rather?

Exactly.

Of course, the people who are really involved in such things wouldn't be posting on a computer forum.

Yet here I am. :eek:
 
As Russia's invasion of Syria intensifies, so does her indiscriminate slaughter of civilians:



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Yes but you only have to look back through this thread to see that some people really don't care. They welcome all out indiscriminate bombing by Russia and mock the west for not doing the same. Apparently, using direct fire weapons and low collateral policy is perceived as the wrong approach.
 
Still can't believe the murky claims being made by the government around the legality of drone strikes.

Just heard Dominic Grieve on Radio 4 saying it would be preferable to bring him to justice in the normal way, but as this isn't possible then assassinating him (my wording) is legal.

Apparently extrajudicial killing in this case is legal as "self-defence", despite Emwazi being unlikely to personally be a threat to the UK or Britons. He isn't even a military target, he's an IS executioner, so killing him can only be seen as a propaganda effort.

Grieve was rightly pressed that actually this appears to have been a case of retributive justice - killing him for his previous (very high profile) murders of Britons. This might get popular support (especially in this thread) but it's disgraceful IMO.

He is a member of ISIL, he was acting to orchestrate recruitment and attacks. As a member of ISIL he is a legitimate target as outlined by the Target Set in the Targetting Directive. Assassination is the wrong term. He was a valid military target.
 
I say we also have a moral duty to protect civilians over there from terrorists of UK nationality who was actively engaged in atrocities.

If he had been shot on the streets of the UK in the middle of a terrorist attack nobody would have batted an eye lid.

Good job guys.

Indeed.

Those people criticising the strike still offer no alternatives. Perhaps, just perhaps, there were no alternatives like DC said.
 
I personally think our foreign policy has been absolutely disgraceful and murderous since 2001. I also find many aspects of Islam regressive and see no good use for them in our society.

I'm sure the majority of the populous are in my position. I honestly think it's just a waiting game, holding strong and ensuring an alternative narrative is kept centre and front.

Interesting that you class our foreign policy as disgraceful and murderous, yet aspects of Islam just "no good".
 
Depends if the prevention was actually GCHQs involvement in spying or luck and police passed the details onto them.

Heck if it stops these people keep throwing money at them but I dont think they'll stop the next one :(. They've been banging on about internet spying too much recently for any aspiring pleb to risk using encrypted communication.

Fortunately GCHQ deal in much more than just Internet surveillance.


well jihadi john was still more of a PR exercise - he wasn't fighting over there, they didn't want to put him at risk - he was just rolled out for the throat slitting videos

That isn't correct. Sure, the slitty throats bit is, the rest is not.
 
Nah it is correct AFAIK- why do you think it isn't? do you have evidence of jihadi john getting involved in serious combat after becoming famous or something? He was a PR tool and was kept out of danger as much as possible.

He wasn't a front line combatant. He was actively recruiting and plotting for further attacks on the UK though. As such he is still classed as "fighting". The fact he still posed a threat is exactly the reason why the UK could legally carry out a military strike against him. If he was just the PR man and not fighting (however you wish to class that statement) then the UK would not have struck him.

He certainly wasn't kept out of danger - his demise is proof of that.
 
It's a question of perspective, while my use of JJ was to demonstrate the difference between some western ISIS recruits being as Dowie suggested soft and others being like JJ-probably sociopaths. I agree with Dowie on the point that JJ was not a regular fighter in the front line grunt sense, more a poster boy for recruitment and such. He could also be termed as a 'fighter' being that he was an armed killer, it matters not, lets not argue over such things.

I also agreed with Dowie that JJ was not a front line combatant, I said that above. I disagree that he was merely a PR poster boy though. I know he wasn't just a PR poster boy. JJ fell within the target set of our targeting directive policy - which made him a militant and a fighter for ISIL. You don't have to be a "grunt" to be considered a fighter - we all know this.
 
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