Islam and violence

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This is something i cant get my head around and it totally annoys me and it begs for a long term solution.

Islam is supposed to be a religion of peace yet in real life it is not so. Im from Nigeria and i have withnessed first hand the beheading of those that practice other religion up in the nothern part of Nigeria where we have muslim majorly.

Nigeria is supposd to be a democratic country yet the muslims has opt for a sharia law in the Northern part of the country.....this is so unconstitutional. When people try to explain to these guys about how you can do this in a democratic society guess what....they started with vilolence again burning down churches and killiing innocent people just for the sake of them been "infidels or Kafari" :rolleyes:

Still speaking about violence. A woman was accused of adultery in a state in the Northern part of nigeria and guess what the "Sharia court" sentence her to.....She should face execution by stoning her to death in a public square. The woman in question is some few month pregnant...... :confused: I mean people let us think about it. If these islam people are so blind that they cant see the colour of the rainbow, they should at least smell the coffee. This 21st century you cant condemm someone to death by STONEING IN A PUBLIC PLACE for crying out loud.

Still on violence, Back in 2004 or so when Nigeria was supposed to Host the Miss World event right. The current miss world then was obviously a Nigerian and when interviewed, she was quoted as saying the following ".....if prohet muhammed (s.a.w) was alive today, im sure he wont hesitate to pick one or more of the ladies here and make them his wife....." Guess what, as a result of islam intolerance, violence started again and 106 people where killed, some of the miamed, burnt and decapitated. The saddest thing about this whole thing is all of the victims are non-muslim. This begs the question why why why? :confused:

I practiced Islam intensly for 2yrs back in Nigeria while i was under going some soul searching experience. On papper it is presented as peaceful religion when infact it is Intolerant, oppresive, selfish and sees violence as the only way out. (oh did i hear someone mention Jihad?). Freedom of speech is limited and if you break the rules the next thing is death. Look at Rushdie, a fatua was put on his head over publication of satanic verses. I mean why dont the pope or some higher figure in the christain world put a fatua on the authour of Da Vinche Code? Let me see, may be because they are more tolerant and civilised.

Im worried something has to be done about this whole thing or else...... The islam world will probably say "the demostrators and those promoting violence dont represent us"....yet no big islamic cleric or ayatollah will condemm any of those action i mean wtf.

Someone explain to me why islam and violence go together like a v6 engine and shell optimax? Seriously this aint right. Like i said before i know what im talking about and i will take on any challenge (civillised one off course) over this discussion. Further examples of things i said can be given, just ask.
 
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Chronos-X said:
This subject is chronicled in the pages of OcUK many thousands of times, and the conclusion has been reached that

a) its a very vocal minority

b) they'll get bored of it eventually, people are only being violent because everyone else is as they are incapable of independant thought

Yes there are some awful muslim governments in the world, and some truely atrocious christian ones.. it just happens.

A, You dont call almost a billion muslim a minority.
B, Get bored? Come to my country, this stuff has been going on before Independence and i think Nigeria is 44 this year.

I agree, but why do the islamic one get more media attention? what, because we live in a christain world? i dont think so.
 
Balddog said:
Its more cultural than religious...If the muslims are from some 3rd world bumhole of a country, chances are they will be prone to violence and archaic practices...If the muslims are from the west, chances are they will be non violent and more open minded...There are exceptions but thats how the vast majority are..

Remember there are parts of the world where christians are still violent psychos..

So i thought at first, thinking all was down to cultural difference. My reserach on the main culture and tradition in my country shows that we are diffrent but not in a way for us not to understand one another. We all do same things but slightly diffferent ways. e.g. Clothing, food, tradition on marriage, social relation etc. There's nothing in those differences that warrants violence honestly, but as soon as you but Islam (yet islam and not christainity) into it the whole thing changes from an exciting drama into a texas chain saw massacre. Christains from the other part of nigeria are open minded and tolerant more than their muslim counter part from the north.

You know in all honesty, it is because of stuff like these i stopped believing a God or Higer being exist.
 
Nix said:
You could predict a timescale whereby the 3rd World or middle east will 'grow out of it'. .

I am a bit sceptical about that. Back home, hatred as a result of religion differences has been planted into the minds of the on coming generations. Can you imagine my dad not wanting me to play with the next door neighbour son's because they are muslim? Now picture that on a national scale and tell me this timescale thing will still be possible.


I hope so but im seriously scepticlal
 
Chronos-X said:
Are these the same nigerian christians that regularly torture and sacrifice children in the churches they run over here, for being witches and posessed?

In reality, that is a result of Cultural belief being mixed with religion. I totally agree with you but i though i should makle things clear. Bible/christainity dont teach sacrisfising one's child. Where it happened in the old testament, it wasto teat abraham's faith (i think his name his Abraham) but then God told him to use a Ram instead.

Anyway, some churches has been reported to do it but according to the teachings of the bible, you dont sacrisfice a human unto god
 
Guys, Keep the thread alive if you can, I have to go now. I will be back on Monday around 7pm when im at work as i odnt have internet at home. Any question can be emailed to me.

I dont believe in God anymore and im not in support of any religion here. thanks
 
Nix said:
You're not telling me your faith was shattered because of a thread are you? Or are you just saying you decided this before posting?

Okay mate, stay safe.


Nah, Bruv. I stopped believing in God since way back in Nigeria. I guess i didnt make myself clear enough. This things/happening around us only reinforces what i believe - No God period.
 
Freak_boy said:
your point being? muslims dont sacrifice people for God? God didnt tell him to use a ram, He was blindfolded and when he made the cut and opened His eyes, He saw a ram (or whichever animal) there.


I think i should be asking you what your point is. I was trying to explain to someone a point and you seem to come in without understanding fully what im getting across asking what im about :confused: :confused: Maybe you should go back and read the whole thing again. :)
 
El Gringo said:
Irony:)

I personally agree, isn't there a campaign to get the pregnant woman's sentence overturned?

The international community got involved and the court now ordered that the stoning should wait till after she gives birth. The international community was like WTF......in the long run according to unspecified reports she kinda went "underground" after
 
asim said:
Islam is a peaceful religion its the PEOPLE that are causing the problems. Terrorists interpret the Quran in the wrong way and are killing for their own reasons. You cant blame a religion because the religion doesnt condone killing.

Person who commits suicide goes to hell. Person who kills another also.

I knew someone was gonna say what you just said. I use to believe that but it is OLD NEWS to me and millions of others.

Mosque are allowed in almost any nation. Be it a very conservative nation or a multicultural one like the UK, YET NO CHURCH is allowed in Saudi Kingdom. (yeah that highlights the tolerance...sorry intolerance bit). Those who practise christainity are jailed or tortured until they accept islam. (great)
The muslim argue that it is a holy land hence no other religion or form of worship/believe is allowed.

Over the issue of forty virgins, it begs the question How many Virgins are in heaven or paradise. So, let me see the 4 london bombers having managed to carry out those atrocities killing INNOCENT people will now have 160 virgins to share amongst themselves????? Bull**** upon Bull**** really.

Im black and for once i think i will join BNP, thats how bad this whole situation is. :mad: People are just refusing to see the large scale of the problem. Like someone mentioned there's about 30 form of conflicts going around in the world today to do with islam and violence nuff said
 
RaohNS said:
So why are they killing people, what of the 72 Virgins, what of the Hadith of Mohammed killing 800 Jews men and boys?



"So that if any Jew were standing behind any rock or stone, it would speak, Oh Moslem, servant of Allah, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."

>| Raoh |<

That is so Bang on! if anyone doubts that, go to WHSmith and order an English copy of the quran or check online.
 
Raikiri said:
Without the religion they would not have anything to "crusade" against. We cannot get rid of every violent person, we can get rid of what makes them violent.

See this is what i was trying to say.....something must be done now. Seriously if someone can Blow him/herself up what makes you think you can take away what makes them violent? Remember the root of the violence is religion, how do you do that?
 
Can i just say "allahu akbar justice has finally been delivered - Hamza has been given seven years, (hope he die in there) and that convicted-drug dealer-turned-protester has been nicked for violating his parole"

I love this country man.....allahu akbar dont **** with the UK.
 
Nix said:
Something is bound to snap, or is it that western civilization is just too civil and patient to care about this now? I'm curious to see how far Islam can push the boundaries of political correctness.

Nah, it is the stupid government not enforcing things properly trying not to "offend the minority" well im of black african origin and i say get a life, i dont care who you are, where you are from or what religion you practise. if you break the law you should face the music.

Did you hear about how a major newspaper in iran has asked readers to send in cartoons mocking/denying the jews/holocaust?
 
Nix said:
Yes. Iran actually think that the western powers made up or exaggerate the holocaust. It's basically to do with their hatred towards Jews and Isreal. Apparently, Tony Blair invited Iran to come look at the evidence of the Holocaust for themselves and they're apparently sending a team of independant investigators.

There is a difference between political satire and genocide. I'm getting really sick of these people.


Yeah so i heard, im feeling same way as you. You know sometimes i feel like we should all get together and do something of some sort. As much as i hate politics now im thinking that might be the only way of sorting this whole thing out
 
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