Islamic student account launched

[adamofgreyskull]

Well I don't believe England sank into the sea when te first Halal butcher opened his doors. And somehow I dont think a bank account will make any difference. Afterall its not like they are making all accounts comply with sharia, just like they didn't require all abotoirs/butchers to go Halal.

Ok..I'm confused now, as to the meaning of:

are the islamist muslim terrorists pushing for a law that allows them to commit murder by stoning now?

If its legal then its not murder. Thats what Al Q are ultimately after.

 

[Sleepy]

Muslims are being told to integrate by our government, but simultaneously being offered products and services that serve to deepend their segregated identity.

Please explain how having a different account deepens the divide between people. am I more segregated from my neighbours who bank at HSBC?

 

[adamofgreyskull]

or maybe you could learn to read, that way you might understand the position of other posters in a thread, plus realise that one's pointed out a fallacy in your post.

Apologies, but I really can't fathom the meaning of your post in response to mine...as far as I can tell you were saying that Al Quaeda were actively seeking the ability to stone people to death, and maybe they are, but the original discussion was about Muslims in general.

I fail to see any fallacy in my logic. Please be more clear.

 

[ironman]

Ok...maybe I haven't been listening to Jeremy Vine enough lately but...are the islamist muslim terrorists pushing for a law that allows them to commit murder by stoning now? That is my point.


I was under the impression that Jewish people don't consider the New Testament to be the word of God... That is my point.


Judging by what you yourself have been saying, the introduction of a FINANCIAL PRODUCT by an INDEPENDENT BANK, appealing to members of it's CONSUMER BASE will lead to the introduction of out and out Shariah law. That is my point.

People are mentioning Hitler and what he did, but I don't think you understand why you're mentioning him. He introduced the terrible terrible laws he did, as you have intimated, over time, in small steps. He did this by creating a "climate of fear". Sound familiar? It should, because it's exactly what you're contributing to at the moment.

Where were you people when Catholic terrorists were bombing the UK mainland? Perhaps you'd like to do the numbers and work out how many people have died at the hands of the IRA in the UK, and how many at the hands of Islamic terrorists? <sarcasm>Oh wait...we can't ban Catholicism can we...it's a white person's religion...</sarcasm>

It's criminals we should be railing against, not an entire religion.

One of the best posts I have ever read on the forums. Well done Thing is no one cares about the IRA because white is right....

 

[Sleepy]

are the islamist muslim terrorists pushing for a law that allows them to commit murder by stoning now?

If its legal then its not murder. Thats what Al Q are ultimately after.

Murder is a legal term for unlawful killing. An execution ordered by a court is a lawful killing thus stoning as a punishment in such a situation is not murder what ever else it might be.

Al Q aims are to restore the Caliphate [Caliph - supreme secular leader, and depending on whom you ask can also be the supreme religious leader, of the old Islamic empire - Caliphate] and sharia law to the Islamic world and then the rest of us.

 

[adamofgreyskull]

Murder is a legal term for unlawful killing. An execution ordered by a court is a lawful killing thus stoning as a punishment in such a situation is not murder what ever else it might be.

Al Q aims are to restore the Caliphate [Caliph - supreme secular leader, and depending on whom you ask can also be the supreme religious leader, of the old Islamic empire - Caliphate] and sharia law to the Islamic world and then the rest of us.

"Al Q" may want to instigate, not restore, Caliphate and Sharia Law in this country. So? I was, and I think most other people were, discussing Muslims, not just Al Quaeda.

I perfectly understand that if stoning someone was legal, then it wouldn't be murder to stone someone to death. But the intent of my original statement stands:

What kind of crack must someone be smoking if they believe this country will ever consider making death by stoning a lawful punishment?

 

[ironman]

Is it a good post because you agree with it, or are you viewing it for its actual merit.

Personally I think that if I was a banker, and someone asked me for a bank account where I don't want any of the interest earnt, given to me...I would kiss that persons feet

I don't see what all the fuss is about. I also think however that any muslim that thinks more elements from Sharia law, or indeed all of Sharia law brought to the UK, should not be living here.

He makes a valid point about the terrorism that has occured in this country years before Al Q got involved.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I've got no problems with Muslim bank accounts, my problem is once again with a religion bending rules but their god will know what they're doing and they'll all go to hell.

 

[Dr House]

LOL this is one of the most amusing things I have seen

Normal student account
£1 500 interest free overdraft
X% interest on positive balance

Islamic Student account
£1 500 interest free overdraft
No interest on positive balance


or have i missed the point?

 

[Psyk]

Money cannot be simply traded for money

Is anyone else confused by this?

Does it mean they cannot exchange their money for a different currency? If you put cash into a bank account (of any type) and then withdraw it, are you not trading money for money?

 

[leaskovski]

Ahem...

I would think that the term "baby steps" is only applicable to the rate at which MY money is increasing at the pathetic 0.0000001% interest I'm earning in my instant savings account...

This

is nothing less than a banker's dream come true! If they get 200,000 to take them up on it, that's A LOT of money that they'll be able to invest without paying interest on! Far from a baby-step, it is in fact a giant leap forwards in the worship of Mammon, Moneylender to the Gods!

Yeah the banks must be loving this account. I bet they still get to make interest off of the money. They just don't give any of that to the account.

Also off the FSA about how the mortgage works...

Ijara – A leasing agreement in which the bank buys and then leases an asset (for example consumer durables or a property) to its customer for a specified rental over a specified period of time. The bank may have the right to adjust the rental charge in line with changes in the cost of finance. This method can be used for home buying purposes ("Islamic mortgages"). This usually entails the customer making capital payments in addition to the rental charge. The customer’s ownership in the property increases and the bank’s decreases by a similar amount with each such payment. Once all payments have been made, ownership of the property passes to the customer.

 

[Dr House]

Money cannot be simply traded for money

I don’t know but I understand that it to say that you cant trade on the stock or money parked

 

[leaskovski]

You realise that Roman Catholicism pretty much forbids earning money on lending too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

Edit: Good post by Adamofgreyskull

I am glad i am not part of any religion!

 

[PsiFox]

LOL this is one of the most amusing things I have seen

Normal student account
£1 500 interest free overdraft
X% interest on positive balance

Islamic Student account
£1 500 interest free overdraft
No interest on positive balance


or have i missed the point?

Yes it's what the bank can and cannot do with your money under sharia law thats important.

 

[D.P.]

Who the heck cares, its no difference to Tescos selling healthy eating food, just giving people a choice and tapping into a niche market.

 

[D.P.]

And I'm sure non-Islamics can apply for for said bank account if they wish, there is no segregation.


In December time shops advertise and sell increasing numbers of presents, gift-wrap, cards and tinsel. All this in celebrating the Christian celebration of the birth of Christ. This is obviously segregation and racisim- bussinesses providing extra services purely for Christians! SHock

 

[leaskovski]

In defence of myself, i didn't post this as 'omg! They are talking over the world' thread

I was merely supprised that they are not allowed to make interest. It seems silly to turn down free money.

Defence over

 

[scorza]

Normal student account
£1 500 interest free overdraft
X% interest on positive balance

Islamic Student account
£1 500 interest free overdraft
No interest on positive balance

With the Islamic account they chop your hands off if you don't pay off your overdraft.

 

[cleanbluesky]

I've come to the conclusion that given your non traditional religious beliefs and this flagrent attack on capitalism that, CBS you are guilty of the sin of not integrating with English culture. You must therefore immediately deport yourself to the land of you ancestors*. Do not pass go and do not collect £200

*To help that means France or the Low countries, though Europeans seperated from Asians in whats now called Pakistan. So I guess thats where you'd have to deport yourself to.

'traditional' depends on how far you go back. I'm Celtic BTW, the furthest I could be repatriated is Ireland I believe...


Also, my contention isn't against 'non-traditionalism', I dislike aspects of Islam and believe it's presence here is harming integration and social cohesion. Otherwise I would be complaining about Hiduism, Sikhism etc. etc.