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Poll: Italian Grand Prix 2021, Monza - Race 14

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by Shimmy, 8 Sep 2021.

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Rate the 2021 Italian Grand Prix out of ten

Poll closed 19 Sep 2021.
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    2.5%
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    0.8%
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    5.0%
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    10.9%
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    25.2%
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    33.6%
  9. 9

    14.3%
  10. 10

    7.6%
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  1. Slam62

    Sgarrista

    Joined: 3 Jan 2006

    Posts: 8,424

    Location: Monaco

    Agree, Monza always is a procession.
     
  2. UTmaniac

    Soldato

    Joined: 9 Nov 2005

    Posts: 6,683

    Location: Southampton

    Really questioning why the heck I stayed in to watch that incredible dull sprint race, instead of heading out ~2 hours ago.

    The sprint race format could make good viewing, but the FIA need to engage their brains about which circuits to run it at, ones that need medium to high downforce and good DRS zones that will encourage overtaking.

    Running a sprint race at Monza was only ever going to change the race grid through errors like Lewis made at the start, rather than driving/car talent.
     
  3. Irish_Tom

    Capodecina

    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 13,419

    AFAIC they either adopt it at every race or they drop it completely. Even if they pick a handful of races each season where it ‘works’, it’s stupid to have an inconsistent approach to the race weekend at different circuits.

    They’ve tried it twice and it’s been **** both times, so adopting it wholesale obviously isn’t going to work.

    Fair enough, try different things, but this clearly isn’t working so drop the idea and come up with something else.
     
  4. Jimbeam3678

    Capodecina

    Joined: 8 Dec 2002

    Posts: 18,388

    Location: North Yorkshire

    Just read that back to yourself, now think about the upgrades red bull have brought and what merc have brought this season. Lewis is still in the title hunt and is historically better in the second half.
     
  5. ci_newman

    Sgarrista

    Joined: 24 Feb 2004

    Posts: 9,815

    Location: Hook, Hants

    Lewis is as competitive as he's always been, the rule changes for low rake cars this year have really hurt the Merc performance compared to previous years.
     
  6. Mr Jack

    Capodecina

    Joined: 19 May 2004

    Posts: 23,826

    Location: Nordfriesland, Germany

    I feel like he's made more mistakes than usual this year; perhaps the lingering effects of Covid weighing on him.
     
  7. Scam

    Capodecina

    Joined: 20 Oct 2002

    Posts: 14,622

    Location: London

    It's also his to lose so every mistake is blindingly obvious as Max picks up the points instead. Previously such an error wouldn't have been such a big deal?
     
  8. englishpremier

    Sgarrista

    Joined: 15 Feb 2003

    Posts: 8,630

    Location: Europe

    doubt it's anything to do with COVID. He is competing as well as he has ever done. He has always made (small to medium) mistakes he just usually makes up for them or has been so far ahead or in such a quick car that they don't matter.
     
  9. Mr Jack

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    Maybe. There's a reason I said "I feel". I guess you could sit down and run numbers on the whole thing, but I am disinclined to spend the time on it.

    Things are lost on the edges, a small drop in quality is enough to show. I agree that he's competing very well, but I don't ever remember him struggling like he did in Hungary after the race before.
     
  10. Irish_Tom

    Capodecina

    Joined: 18 Oct 2002

    Posts: 13,419

    Yeah, it’s definitely more noticeable this year when Max/RBR are so on-it.

    There are obviously still a number of races to go, and I’ve already been burnt once making such predictions, but it really feels like if Lewis doesn’t have a monumental recovery drive tomorrow, Max is going to start running away with it.

    He was in the perfect position given that he didn’t get pole yesterday but would still have started first tomorrow if he had just held position today; ahead of Max and on a track where the Merc is clearly faster than the Red Bull and it’s difficult to overtake.

    Azerbaijan and Monza could well be the two most obvious mistakes that cost him the WDC this season.

    Maybe that and RBR’s lucky break getting two back-to-back tracks in Austria where they absolutely dominated.
     
  11. ZG002

    Capodecina

    Joined: 22 Jul 2004

    Posts: 10,842

    Location: Up north in Sunderland

    Oh look, sprint quali is boring who would of thought it in current F1? I mean I've never seen a formula with more on track over takes.. every corner is a battle up and down the field.

    It's just a chance for someone to mess up and drop down the order.

    Now they all know where each were strong and how best to defend that in the actual race, no surprises for me tomorrow thank you very much, we don't like stuff like that around here!
     
  12. chrismscotland

    Mobster

    Joined: 16 Jul 2009

    Posts: 4,325

    Agree with Alonso, one shot qualifying on a sprint race weekend might spice things up, you'd still expect the best at the front but one mistake and your P12
     
  13. Emlyn_Dewar

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    Joined: 15 Oct 2003

    Posts: 13,034

    Location: Chengdu

    So happy I wasn't able to watch the sprint race, sounds like yet another mistake from F1 as a sport. The pinnacle of messing things up. :cool:

    Looking at final positions, I'm assuming any excitement we could have expected has been weeded out?
     
  14. MissChief

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    Joined: 17 Jul 2010

    Posts: 21,012

    I liked this previously and it would stop any shenanigans like we see every qualifying with slow cars looking for a gap. Or screw qualifying completely, have a reverse championship order race to set the grid on Saturday to set the grid for Sunday, 5 points for highest climber from their start position, 5 points for coming first, 3 for second and 1 for third. But make it 20 laps long only.
     
  15. ZG002

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    Joined: 22 Jul 2004

    Posts: 10,842

    Location: Up north in Sunderland

    It's just plays out like a normal race but without the pit stops to spice things up lol.

    You get some excitement for the first couple laps then everyone seems to settle down not wanting to actually ruin their weekend and it's over. Might as well be 5 laps and call it.
     
  16. mjt

    Capodecina

    Joined: 31 Aug 2007

    Posts: 19,025

    Sprint quali was ****. Hopefully the race will see some more incidents and action :(
     
  17. 413x

    Capodecina

    Joined: 13 Jan 2010

    Posts: 23,184

    Location: Llaneirwg

    So I've declared that sprint races aren't great.

    1, they give away a taster of the full race
    2, no point risking any overtakes. You've far more to lose than gain, especially back Down the pack
    3, not long enough to degrade the soft.
    4, not as good as quali

    That race was dull.
    We now know monza is likely to be a dull one with MB romp to victory
     
  18. UTmaniac

    Soldato

    Joined: 9 Nov 2005

    Posts: 6,683

    Location: Southampton

    Not so sure about that, personally. Bottas starting from back, Lewis from 4th, Max will sail off into the sunset and Lewis might be lucky enough to get 2nd. Bottas might score a point or two.

    It will certainly be dull, bar any big crashes!
     
  19. KiNgPiN83

    Mobster

    Joined: 16 Nov 2003

    Posts: 4,870

    This is the problem. Even if it is just a test for next year and beyond they are testing it on cars that aren't necessarily that great at overtaking each other... They should've probably just revisited it next year once the new cars arrived as it probably has the potential to be more exciting if the cars characteristics allowed for it.
     
  20. GR63

    Hitman

    Joined: 28 May 2021

    Posts: 833

    Location: Herts

    First race in ages I am not looking fwd to... hopefuly less dull than Dutch GP
     
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