i've just realised, we are having our trousers pulled down!

cm1179 · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:36

no. maybe you should come up with a method and regulation of making sure companies cannot set up and establish themselves here and the go elsewhere for tax reasons.

Ahleckz · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:38

cm1179 said:
no. maybe you should come up with a method and regulation of making sure companies cannot set up and establish themselves here and the go elsewhere for tax reasons.

I'm perfectly happy with the current set up that we have really. You are the one who wants to put massive tax rates on profit makers which will force them away. You then want to put in measures which prevents them from leaving. It's absurd, but you have demonstrated your clear lack of economic knowledge so it doesn't surprise me.

Tefal · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:38

And within 5 pages the socialist utopia has tuned into a forced labour camp that you cannot leave.

The Halk · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:39

cm1179 said:
no. maybe you should come up with a method and regulation of making sure companies cannot set up and establish themselves here and the go elsewhere for tax reasons.

World conquest I think is about the only way.

The reality is that companies get to choose which country they HQ in. They pick the cheapest vs the most suitable, they weight the pros and cons. Governments job is to tax them as heavily as possible while encouraging as many HQs to move to the UK and making sure as few as possible are scared away.

Those protests against Vodafone etc were sheer stupidity, and frankly I'm so fed up with the dumb public that I'd not have been sorry if all the protestors were shot dead. (I probably would, but it's GD so I can use hyperbole).

cm1179 · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:42

Ahleckz said:
I'm perfectly happy with the current set up that we have really. You are the one who wants to put massive tax rates on profit makers which will force them away. You then want to put in measures which prevents them from leaving. It's absurd, but you have demonstrated your clear lack of economic knowledge so it doesn't surprise me.

and for all your economic knowledge, you've done nothing but say you are happy with it. i can only assume that you are the all knowing and that things are as good as they can be?

Ahleckz · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:48

cm1179 said:
and for all your economic knowledge, you've done nothing but say you are happy with it. i can only assume that you are the all knowing and that things are as good as they can be?

I want to see drastic changes to the welfare system, and to the education system. I want for police forces to change the way that they are appointed funding, and I wish that we spent less money but spent it better within our Armed Forces. But, most of all I want for our deficit to be tackled in a steady and appropriate way to ensure the balance between growth and stability isn't derailed.
I don't care that some people may be doing unscrupulous (but legal) things in order to pay a lower tax bill as they are still bringing in vast swarms of money and jobs into this country.
Yes, there are things I'm not happy with but I'm intelligent and knowledgeable enough to know what is appropriate and what is not at this time.
Our prime concern at the moment is to reduce our budget deficit in an appropriate manner. Current strategies are fine for this and I back the government. I'm not an economics expert, but it doesn't stop me from having done my own research.

cm1179 · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:50

Ahleckz said:
Current strategies are fine for this and I back the government. I'm not an economics expert, but it doesn't stop me from having done my own research.

what are the current strategies?

Ahleckz · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:50

http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/spend_index.htm

The Halk · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:53

Ahleckz said:
I want to see drastic changes to the welfare system, and to the education system. I want for police forces to change the way that they are appointed funding, and I wish that we spent less money but spent it better within our Armed Forces. But, most of all I want for our deficit to be tackled in a steady and appropriate way to ensure the balance between growth and stability isn't derailed.
I don't care that some people may be doing unscrupulous (but legal) things in order to pay a lower tax bill as they are still bringing in vast swarms of money and jobs into this country.
Yes, there are things I'm not happy with but I'm intelligent and knowledgeable enough to know what is appropriate and what is not at this time.
Our prime concern at the moment is to reduce our budget deficit in an appropriate manner. Current strategies are fine for this and I back the government. I'm not an economics expert, but it doesn't stop me from having done my own research.

On a side note Alex, do you ever feel as if you're in an incredibly small minority in the West of Scotland, and that everybody else is a socialist and fantasist?

Tefal · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:55

The Halk said:
On a side note Alex, do you ever feel as if you're in an incredibly small minority in the West of Scotland, and that everybody else is a socialist and fantasist?

FREEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

Cosimo · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:57

Tefal said:
And within 5 pages the socialist utopia has tuned into a forced labour camp that you cannot leave.

You must be reading the wrong book.

The Halk · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:58

Tefal said:
FREEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

I'd say something Welsh but you don't have much of a national identity

Infernum · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:58

Does "inflating the currency" mean exchange rates will be better for us or the foreigners?

Cosimo · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:59

Tefal said:
FREEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

The record has got stuck. You need a new stylus.

The Halk · 4 Jan 2011 at 21:59

Infernum said:
Does "inflating the currency" mean exchange rates will be better for us or the foreigners?

Foreigners.

Infernum · 4 Jan 2011 at 22:00

The Halk said:
Foreigners.

:'(

Ahleckz · 4 Jan 2011 at 22:00

The Halk said:
On a side note Alex, do you ever feel as if you're in an incredibly small minority in the West of Scotland, and that everybody else is a socialist and fantasist?

Very much so. Of course, if you try and speak to them like I have been in this thread you're told you are just a rich so and so who wants to urinate all over the poor. Sigh.

scorza · 4 Jan 2011 at 22:02

Infernum said:
Does "inflating the currency" mean exchange rates will be better for us or the foreigners?

What does "inflating the currency"? Devaluing the currency via inflation or pushing up the value of the currency?

The Halk · 4 Jan 2011 at 22:02

scorza said:
What does "inflating the currency"? Devaluing the currency via inflation or pushing up the value of the currency?

He means watering down the value of the currency by causing or allowing inflation.

scorza · 4 Jan 2011 at 22:05

The Halk said:
He means watering down the value of the currency by causing or allowing inflation.

If so that will benefit us in the sense that the "foreigners" will buy more stuff from us, meaning more of us are employed and more money comes into the UK economy. OTOH it will be bad for us because our annual two weeks in Benidorm will be more expensive. For some reason successive governments see the latter as more important /shrug.