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1st - I thought "how dare he", I'm in teacher training now - it's TOUGH - and I'm fairly insulted that he reckoned a bunch of celebrities will do a better job than the teachers that apparently failed these kids.

2nd - As he and the celebs start to realise it's more than just being a personality and that it's a real skill, teaching, making a connection that engages these kids, I'm warming to the show. I suspect they're getting some teacher training behind closed doors, I've seen some familiar strategies being used in the classes.
Even Starkey's gone soft and calls a nasty, nasty tirade by a girl called Harlem an 'operatic performance'.

3rd - Starting to think there are reasons why these kids have slipped through the net. They need more than just good and inspiring teachers - they need an intervention and to learn what it really is to be part of society. Such an eperience may or may not happen on a show like this...

Those are my first impressions of the show. What think you?
 
Robbie G said:
Those who can't do, teach :p.
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Indeed.

15 years ago you had to have a degree to teach - It is the same now, but all these rubbish Universities now exist, so the quality of teachers is FAR lower than it was.

Those who can't do, teach. For example, sports science, geography, anything with 'ology' at the end - Basically anything that has no real world jobs in that field.

A good teacher is fantastic. They are intelligent, care about the children's future and their work is never done.
Unfortunately they are hard to come by.

I wouldn't dream of teaching (I am about to graduate with a 2:1 or 1st in engineering) in this modern world.
Allow me to slap them round the head and I would love the job, but as things are these days I wouldn't do it!
 
I'm quite enjoying it. I'm unsure what to make of the process itself, but I did find it quite inspiring to see the students coming aware from Alvin Hall's class saying how interesting he had made the subject. I'm apprehensive as to how successful the experiment will be as, like you say, these are experts in a field, not expert teachers in a field.

And Harlem... Her 'performance' in tonight's episode was beyond frustrating. I think she's actually capable of producing perpetual energy, the way she just manages to escalate a situation by herself. Maybe we could use her to power the universe. I was quite frustrated that Dab s didn't slap her down.

But as a piece of television, I never watch television, but I'm watching this. It must be a good sign. :p

(Lol at the fact the headteacher's nickname is the same as a competitor).
 
mglover070588 said:
Those who can't do, teach. For example, sports science, geography, anything with 'ology' at the end - Basically anything that has no real world jobs in that field.
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What like Geology? Perhaps one of them most relevant areas of science of the moment and host to some of the best paid topics of research? Yup nothing relevant there...

I suggest you perhaps get off your high horse a little about the degrees "given out" by these "rubbish" universities. To be a university in the UK is still a difficult thing to achieve, there are still high standards that each must meet
and while I am not condoning all of the niche courses these places have to spin to survive, I'm not willing to accept that the level of teaching on the more usual courses is so sub-par that you can look down your nose at somebody who has seen the course through to fruition.

To blankly state that modern teachers are bad teachers (I assume you don't include those who teach at places like Eton in that statement as they will have been to proper universities where the hoi polloi aren't generally seen) is frankly quite an insulting thing to post on an open internet forum imo!

Can I suggest that you're going to get a bit of a shock when you step out of that little bubble undergrads find themselves in, don't openly tar people before they have even had a chance to prove themselves to you...
 
manic_man said:
To be a university in the UK is still a difficult thing to achieve, there are still high standards that each must meet
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Wrong, very wrong. It seems any mediocre college can brand itself a University these days.
A good example of this is Derby.

You went to a University that your dog would get into (as long as it was paying), didn't you.

Wow you found a job title with a purpose for something with 'ology' at the end, congratulations. Hang on, you haven't actually named a job at all.

I stated that good teachers are hard to come by, not that all modern teachers are bad teachers. Read the post properly please.

With a bit of luck these new tuition fees (as much as I disagree with them) will screw over these naff Universities as numbers will drop.

I also like the way you assume I have not worked in industry too. Perhaps you are the one with the misguided view?
 
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Look I don't want to get into a slugging match with you.

For factual purposes, I attended Staffordshire University for my BSc in CS, then Manchester for my MSc and now PhD.

Staffordshire University educated me to a standard that allowed a University ranked amongst the top 100 in the world to accept me for postgraduate studies. Staffordshire would undoubtedly fall in-line with your misconceptions.

I did not assume you had not worked in industry, I assumed you were currently an undergraduate student. As it is an engineering degree this leaves three possibilities. The first is that your course had no industrial experience, in which case you have no grasp of anything beyond studies whatsoever. The second is that your course involved industrial experience (I know my CS course did), in which case you have potentially had between 6 and 13 months of experience as an intern in industry. The third is that you are a mature student, in which case you have plenty of prior experience but have been in the student bubble for at least 2 years if you are in your final year now.

Whatever the option, my point stands, you have lived in the student bubble for a significant period of time, and if you don't mind me saying also appear quite jaded.

Regarding work for people in areas ending on "ology" specifically. How about oil reservoir modelling as a nice pertinent example. For example employers of such lowly geologists see: Statoil, Schlumberger, BP, Shell and many others. Or perhaps we should take biology? For examples of employment opportunities for biologists see employers such as pfizer or any number of molecular biology research institutions. Or perhaps psychology? I wont go into the various lines of employment that prestigious degree brings.

My problem is not with your statement that teachers are perhaps not as talented these days, in some ways I sense you might be right, clearly we have devalued the process of learning, which in turn has reduced the attractiveness of the career to our brightest and best. What I did have a problem with was your sweeping and frankly elitist statements regarding the quality of most teachers, most of whom you cannot have met or observed, as well as the quality of institutions you have no insight into.

Despite what you say, to gain University status in this country is a difficult process that requires good leadership and on the whole, dedicated staff. I am sure there are bad eggs, but white-washing, on an open forum, all institutions that may once have been a college or polytechnic, but has had the gumption to go beyond, is counter-productive.
 
manic_man said:
Look I don't want to get into a slugging match with you.

For factual purposes, I attended Staffordshire University for my BSc in CS, then Manchester for my MSc and now PhD.

Staffordshire University educated me to a standard that allowed a University ranked amongst the top 100 in the world to accept me for postgraduate studies. Staffordshire would undoubtedly fall in-line with your misconceptions.

I did not assume you had not worked in industry, I assumed you were currently an undergraduate student. As it is an engineering degree this leaves three possibilities. The first is that your course had no industrial experience, in which case you have no grasp of anything beyond studies whatsoever. The second is that your course involved industrial experience (I know my CS course did), in which case you have potentially had between 6 and 13 months of experience as an intern in industry. The third is that you are a mature student, in which case you have plenty of prior experience but have been in the student bubble for at least 2 years if you are in your final year now.

Whatever the option, my point stands, you have lived in the student bubble for a significant period of time, and if you don't mind me saying also appear quite jaded.

Regarding work for people in areas ending on "ology" specifically. How about oil reservoir modelling as a nice pertinent example. For example employers of such lowly geologists see: Statoil, Schlumberger, BP, Shell and many others. Or perhaps we should take biology? For examples of employment opportunities for biologists see employers such as pfizer or any number of molecular biology research institutions. Or perhaps psychology? I wont go into the various lines of employment that prestigious degree brings.

My problem is not with your statement that teachers are perhaps not as talented these days, in some ways I sense you might be right, clearly we have devalued the process of learning, which in turn has reduced the attractiveness of the career to our brightest and best. What I did have a problem with was your sweeping and frankly elitist statements regarding the quality of most teachers, most of whom you cannot have met or observed, as well as the quality of institutions you have no insight into.

Despite what you say, to gain University status in this country is a difficult process that requires good leadership and on the whole, dedicated staff. I am sure there are bad eggs, but white-washing, on an open forum, all institutions that may once have been a college or polytechnic, but has had the gumption to go beyond, is counter-productive.
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served.
 
mglover070588 said:
I wouldn't dream of teaching (I am about to graduate with a 2:1 or 1st in engineering) in this modern world.
Allow me to slap them round the head and I would love the job, but as things are these days I wouldn't do it!
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[sarcastic comment] Only a 2:1 with a possibility of a 1st you slacker, should have gone to Derby sure you would have had a guaranteed first then ;) [/sarcastic comment]

Your last statement sums up just how little you actually know about teaching or bringing up children. If you seriously believe the only way to keep a child in line is to resort to physical abuse then I for one am glad you have no desire to be a teacher as you would be worse than hopeless. Fortunately the law protects children in school from people like you sadly the same can't be said for your own children.
 
mglover070588 said:
Those who can't do, teach. For example, sports science, geography, anything with 'ology' at the end...
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What.. like BI"ology". The most imployed sector? The publically funded sector? The most "in demand" field!?

:) It's ok, I know what you're looking to contain, but perhaps do so in a more direct manner.. eg. Where the past has more/equal relevence than the future in a subject.

blahblahblahblah I'm going crazy from general anaest
 
mglover070588 said:
Indeed.

15 years ago you had to have a degree to teach - It is the same now, but all these rubbish Universities now exist, so the quality of teachers is FAR lower than it was.
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so you think that to be a good teacher you need to have a good degree ?

total rubbish

you need good social skills , to be able to bond and get on with children and to want to help those kids in any way you can , not a high level of education.

some of the smartest people i know would be truly terrible teachers and some of the best teachers i know have really had to struggle to get their degrees
 
I'm enjoying the show, but more because I kind of enjoy getting wound up by annoying brats. I went to school with little scrotes like this, and what they need is discipline, not some kind of alternative teaching technique. And the constant reciting of the line "the education system failed me" is retarded. No, you failed yourself, and in the process brought down the level of everyone in any class you were ever in.
 
Stupid girl " When did you want to be a ..a.."

Famous TV scientist " A scientist?"

Stupid girl " Yeah"

Famous TV scientist " When I was about 7"

"Is it?" :rolleyes:

Stupid girl " Have you made some discoveries yeah?"

Famous TV scientist " yes, I believe we have"

Stupid girl " Is it?" :rolleyes:
 
SuperMan said:
mglover070588 got pwned. lol. Merlin5 I was just commenting on the same thing "is it". The kid with Rolf Harris was good would be amazing to be taught by your hero.
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How about when she told cherie blair she wanted to be a lawyer. I can just picture it now:

"Does deh defendant laiike, pleed gilty or not gilty yea?"

"Not guilty"

" Is it yeah? Safe"

:D
 
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