** January Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Samba is not that good, just goes to prove what I said the other day about the standard in the PL slipping when Cahill and Samba are the proposed answers for the last 2 remaining English sides in the Champions League
 
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Because your defense sucks :p As evidence against Swansea and Fulham as of late
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Yeah, but that's because we have no fit full-backs (and also that our goalkeeper and central midfielders were atrocious against Swansea), and the centre backs we've put out there look uncomfortable and out of their depth. Vermaelen is back fairly soon, and frankly, I don't think Samba is better than him, Koscielney or Mertesacker. He's easily our 4th best there, but why would we pay so much for a 4th choice defender?

Especially if you consider that buying a full-back would not only give us a much better player in that position, but we'd gain one of those guys already out there to cover the centre.

Arsene's already said he didn't want to sign a full-back that was unnecessary, since ours are all due back from injury soon, so why sign a centre-back when the same is true?
 
He thinks Gibbs and Sagna are both good enough and will be fit long term, CB wise I think he's realising he made a HUGE mistake with Mertesacker and so is buying a proven CB who can win balls in the air well. I'm not sure how good Samba is anymore, again as always its about partnerships and teams, a world class CB will look crap in a terrible team with 3 other bad defenders, and a fairly crap CB can look great in a great team with 3 other world class defenders.

We do need a CB, Verm is our best, Kos isn't bad, the rest are cack(miquel might be alright in the future), we need fullbacks, Gibbs will never stay fit(at least at Arsenal), Sagna while better than we have what now, isn't actually top 4 class, Jenkinson is an unknown, used in games where the back 4 were horrific mostly its difficult to know, he didn't look anywhere near as bad as some people said, even pretty good in some games, but hard to judge potential with the team he played with. Santos, crap, old, big wage, terrible defensively, barely average going forward.

Baines would be a HUGE signing this window and someone WILL buy him soon enough, Everton need the cash, we are desperate for a left back, we'll gain a penalty taker, a decent freekick and corner taker(RVP is much more miss than hit from freekicks and has been for years) and a solid defender and very very decent attacker down the left.

For me its the wage though, we need to ditch Squillaci AND Djourou before we bring in another CB, preferably we ditch those two, and Mertesacker and bring in someone like Samba and maybe a younger defender as a rotation/backup CB.

none of that will likely happen though :(
 
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Im pretty sure its actually £7mill for the fee and then £13mill for his contract length??...well thats what i gathered from SSN yesterday.

£23mill for Cahill, if thats the transfer fee is silly lol....if true Bolton are laughing all the way to the bank.
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Yeah, everywhere is saying £7mil, when a paper/news channel wants to have a go at a team they suddenly manage to add the transfer fee and wages together, when they like the team, they don't.

I remember Adebayor being talked about as a 50million fee or something, which was transfer and the entire contract in full. Cahill is 4mil a year and 7mil transfer fee by all accounts, and probably a signing bonus in there somewhere and some agent fee's.

7mil if he regains old form isn't particularly bad at all, 4mil a year isn't low but isn't extortionate....... we're giving Mertesacker 80k a week supposedly and Theo gets 60k...... I think you'd be hard pushed to find a transfer for a somewhat decent fee to a top 6 team that didn't get 60k a week + these days. Pienaar is supposedly on around 60k.
 
Aye, I don't trust Gibbs to stay fit as far as I could throw him (where of course he would fall apart upon impact), so I'd happily see us sign a new LB as soon as possible.

It just seems odd that after all that talk of not wanting to sign another full-back, because we have good players there, but only two for each side, we're going for a central player when we have about eight of them, even if some are gash. Maybe we're sending Squillaci the other way, in which case I won't complain as much.
 
Problem is Wenger is complaining about lack of ability to offer wages. It's Wenger's choice to offer similar wages to all the squad, and Wenger's choice to spend 115mil by paying a crapload of players too much money.

Get rid of Rosicky, Gibbs, Squillaci, Djourou, Song, DIABY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, Chamakh, Theo, Gervinho..... and you've only gotten rid of 3 starters, of which we have 3 better players who can play anyway(Chamberlain for Theo, Gervinho for Pat Rice, Song for, well he plays forward when ARteta plays so Wilshire can come back and replace him without a care in the world). You'd save probably around 500k a week wages on that lot(too tired to work it out properly) and we could buy 4 100k a week players and still be saving money every year on wages.

in fact, if we get rid of that lot, Wilshire in for Song, AOC for Theo, sell Arshavin as well, but a left winger, a fullback and Samba and we'll be saving 15-20mil a year, with a team that has improved. Half of those guys really don't play anything more than a few token appearances a year, the ones that play, shouldn't and of that list there are only a few. This is what gets to me, the pure waste that Arsenal is at the moment, 115mil a year, when you are spunking out 3mil a year on Diaby alone, who sucks at his best, and isn't fit for 90% of every season.......

We've got too much crap draining money out of the team who don't even play, and players in the first team who get paid MORE than MUCH BETTER players in this league, and no reason to be doing so.

If Arsenal ditch those who simply aren't fit enough to play, and those who aren't remotely good enough we could afford better players, it really is as simple as that, but while Wenger is more desperate to give a bigger contract to Diaby, Song and Theo than cash in on them and buy actual footballers...... we're boned.
 
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Problem is Wenger is complaining about lack of ability to offer wages. It's Wenger's choice to offer similar wages to all the squad, and Wenger's choice to spend 115mil by paying a crapload of players too much money.

Get rid of Rosicky, Gibbs, Squillaci, Djourou, Song, DIABY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, Chamakh, Theo, Gervinho..... and you've only gotten rid of 3 starters, of which we have 3 better players who can play anyway(Chamberlain for Theo, Gervinho for Pat Rice, Song for, well he plays forward when ARteta plays so Wilshire can come back and replace him without a care in the world). You'd save probably around 500k a week wages on that lot(too tired to work it out properly) and we could buy 4 100k a week players and still be saving money every year on wages.

in fact, if we get rid of that lot, Wilshire in for Song, AOC for Theo, sell Arshavin as well, but a left winger, a fullback and Samba and we'll be saving 15-20mil a year, with a team that has improved.
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But a squad that is wafer thin, I see you mention selling players A to F a lot yet surely as an Arsenal fan you realise the amount of injuries teams endure over a season. If you sell all the players you mention and only bring half the amount in then chances are you really will end up playing Pat Rice
 
Saints have just loaned Yago Falque after spurs paid for him after they loaned him off Juventus :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16587433.stm

FM say's he's amazing so I'm a bit excited!

Also that Lee bloke from last week is official today :D

Just need to get in on John Fleck that a few teams are sniffing about to get my FM dream done... (won't happen though)

Instead we want Hooper which is causing all the commotion as Lemmon is coming out in the press saying he's worth £35m, the spl is the best league he'll play in this season and the player is happy..... (in other words the board will buckle and we'll have him hopefully)
 
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But a squad that is wafer thin, I see you mention selling players A to F a lot yet surely as an Arsenal fan you realise the amount of injuries teams endure over a season. If you sell all the players you mention and only bring half the amount in then chances are you really will end up playing Pat Rice
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No that's the point we'd be strengthening the squad.

Firstly, how many performances do Diaby, Gibbs, unfortunately Vermaelen, Rosicky put in a year? While I like Vermaelen, a lot he's missed basically over 50% of games since he's been at Arsenal, one year almost ever present, so far, a year completely missing and half a season barely present.....

Diaby, Gibbs, by replacing them we'd get players who actually play. You can get someone FAR cheaper than Rosicky who is available more and actually good, loved the guy when he joined, post injury he's useless 9 out of 10 games, and if he starts 10 games in a season it would be a miracle.

That is the point, 3-4 starters who aren't even close to good enough, 2 guys on the bench already who are BETTER than those guys anyway.

We have a HUGE squad, we've had a huge squad for ages, the problem is 1/3of them are crap, a quarter aren't fit enough to deserve a wage and a 1/3is who we end up relying on anyway.

You could turn the 1/3 of crap players, and the 1/3 of players who really don't ever play and replace them with half the number of players, and still end up with a vastly more usable and bigger squad than we have now....... while SAVING money.

First team members that are always injured, NO MATTER how good they are, aren't worth it. The point is, Arsenal spend 115million, we've got to be spending 30-40mil of that on players who put together barely put in one seasons worth of performances..... so why pay them all 40mil, when you can pay 5 players who aren't injury prone, who are absolute quality, half that amount... and have a better, stronger larger useful squad? There is no reason. Giving diaby new contracts IF HE WAS ALWAYS FIT, is criminal, the guy is useless defensively, average on his best day offensively, a liability, prone to really really dangerous tackles and not worth 15k a week..... but he's always injured AND we pay him 60k a week. he's probably played less than Keiron Dyer in the past 2-3 years, while getting paid more...... and isn't even as good as him.
 
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Azza, you're an Everton supporter. You can't laugh at anybody when you've just signed Gibson :p

How long had it been since you spent a transfer fee on a player? Was Gibson worth the wait? :p
 
I can understand people thinking Vermaelen is better than Samba (because he is) but I can't see any of their other centre halves keeping Samba out of the side.
 
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