** January Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

[Bigpig]

Believe Smith is off but not sure about Xisco.

I think Ridgewell would be a decent signing for us as we could do with someone a little more flexible and he can play LB or CB. Not really sure who else there is out there but I am sure our super scout will find someone

Yup last 6 months of smith contract

Just been gogleing Xisco. 5 year deal worth around 50k signed On 1st September 2008. Seems he has 1 year left :/

He is out on loan.....

 

[BaZ87]

What exactly is the problem with Inter's proposed £20.7m bid? That to me reflects fair value for Tevez maybe not on his ability alone (although it's not far off) but any club has to factor in his mentality and the fact that he never stays at any one club for longer than 2 years

It seems to me City are holding off for an extremely unlikely deal

That's City's choice though. They've invested a fortune in Tevez and he's screwed them. City can afford to say, '**** it, you cost us £x, if we don't get that back then you're going no where'.

As I said, had any other club took a stand against a player then they'd be getting praised. It's only because it's City that people are being critical.

 

[Biz.Kid09]

What exactly is the problem with Inter's proposed £20.7m bid? That to me reflects fair value for Tevez maybe not on his ability alone (although it's not far off) but any club has to factor in his mentality and the fact that he never stays at any one club for longer than 2 years

It seems to me City are holding off for an extremely unlikely deal

What is the problem with Inter giving us a few more million to meet our deal?

25m is a bargain for a player of his quality. There is a 99% chance he will probably stay at Inter until he retires anyway. His family will move to Milan and at the end of the day that has been the only real reason he has never stayed in one place except of course when he left Brazil which was financial.

Again you're forgetting two things, he WASN'T punished for refusing to play, because Mancini made this claim, alienated Tevez, and the investigation concluded he DIDN'T refuse to come on the pitch, Mancinin, getting spanked by Bayern, taking off a striker because he wanted to hopefully not concede more, then did want to bring on a striker for the end. Tevez, having ALREADY WARMED UP, said he didn't need to warm up and Mancini, in a bad mood, being a bad translator, threw a strop after already having a go at Dzeko and I think IIRC, then had a go at Zabaleta.

Mancini created the situation by acting like a petulant child and literally lying on camera about the incident to deflect from a pretty woeful performance against Bayern....... the rest is history. Mancini alienated Tevez, Mancini said Tevez would never play for them again. Then again IIRC after the investigation and Mancini was pretty much proven a twit, he left the door open for Tevez to return, who at that point didn't give a monkeys (and would you if your manager lied about you and caused a club investigation over things that never happened......just because he was in a bad mood?) smegged off and didn't bother to turn up to training(not his best move) at which point Mancini again slammed the door shut with maybe more justification. But did Tevez fail to show up to training before Mancini lied and stuck him in the reserves and treated him like crap for a month, no.

Mancini got it wrong, Mancini devalued the transfer fee they could get with Tevez.

Think about it, he could have said nothing, kept it entirely private and let Tevez leave in the transfer window with no "official" problems..... you think they can get the same transfer fee now? The wage he's on he's getting around a million a month........ delayed and refusing offers is vindictive and stupid, not smart.

So what if Tevez had already warmed up, he is paid to follow the managers orders. He shouldn't be allowed to deny the request of Mancini. Regardless of if Mancini was angry Tevez should do what he is told.

Mancini was proven a twit? really?

Tevez got everything he deserved after you disobey the manager in the way he did.



At the end of the day, Tevez is a grade A **** and nearly everyone has backed Mancini and the club on this situation.

He will be sold and it will be for what we want.

 

[BaZ87]

I find it unlikely that many players will act the way Tevez has (most clubs look at the mentality of a player before signing them anyway making the possibility of being stuck with another Tevez even more unlikely). Maybe expecting any club to let a player of his ability to walk away on a free is unlikely but any bid of around 20m should have been enough compensation to simply sever all ties with him

Maybe it's unlikely that a player will go as far as Tevez but take the Fabregas situation you brought up as another example. Arsenal didn't get what Fabregas was worth because he was insistent on leaving and only leaving for one club. Players have too much power and that will only change if clubs stand up to them. Unfortunately they don't because they'll lose out financially.

How many players at City will try and force an exit from the club if they see that Tevez has been left to rot?

 

[cheets64]

Tevez going to a club with even more money, wonder how long before he wants to move to a warmer climate lol

 

[Stewy]

DM raises a good point about Mancini being a **** to him though, if your manager comes out and claims you didn't want to come on, making you look the bad guy, only for that to be a blatant lie in an attempt to deflect some of the blame for the loss away from him, I wouldn't be ecstatic about playing for him again.

 

[Biz.Kid09]

DM raises a good point about Mancini being a **** to him though, if your manager comes out and claims you didn't want to come on, making you look the bad guy, only for that to be a blatant lie in an attempt to deflect some of the blame for the loss away from him, I wouldn't be ecstatic about playing for him again.

It wasn't a blatant lie though was it because he didn't follow the managers orders which was to warm up to come on.

He was found to be in breach of his contract multiple times so Tevez wasn't exactly a saint in the situation was he.

You don't have to be ecstatic but you don't go AWOL and try and engineer your own moves away from the club behind the back of the club and then start using your "advisor" to undermine the club at every situation.

 

[Tom84]

While Tevez was continuing to do his job on the pitch then there was no need for City or any other club to sell him in the summer unless somebody matched their fee. Just like Spurs didn't sell Modric as soon as he asked to leave (and he kicked up a fuss about playing too) and Utd didn't with Rooney either.

I'm sure the sole reason Tevez continued to do the business on the pitch was due to assurances he'd be allowed to leave in the summer why else would he withdraw his transfer request?

I'm not sure you can really compare him with Modric anyway, for one Modric never handed in a transfer request, for two throughout the whole ordeal Redknapp kept enforcing the fact that Modric was causing no problems within the club and more importantly the summer was the first time (that we know of) that Modric was a serious transfer target for another club or showed any desire to move. Everyone knew that Tevez wanted to leave last season and everyone knew he'd want to leave this past summer. City were naive to think that someone like Tevez would simply buckle down and get on with it after being denied a transfer for the second consecutive transfer window.

As for Rooney, he never asked for a transfer either he just insinuated he wouldn't sign another contract and was obviously badly advised as the day after releasing the statement on why he wouldn't sign a new deal he did.

 

[cm1179]

The reason why Arsenal sold and why most other clubs eventually sell is because of money, that doesn't matter to City.

right. so you don't think city look stupid?

 

[cm1179]

Yes really.

How do you think that as a club we are being stupid.



I cant imagine it being near 47m but if it is then if we are getting 50% of that back plus what he did for us whilst he was playing it isn't such a bad deal.

isn't such a bad deal? wow

 

[Tom84]

What is the problem with Inter giving us a few more million to meet our deal?

25m is a bargain for a player of his quality. There is a 99% chance he will probably stay at Inter until he retires anyway. His family will move to Milan and at the end of the day that has been the only real reason he has never stayed in one place except of course when he left Brazil which was financial.

Rubbish, of course Tevez wont stay at Inter till he retires. He'll stay there 2 years max and then the talk of going back to Argentina will emerge again and if you believe the sole reason he wants out of City is because of his family then you're extremely naive.

As I said, had any other club took a stand against a player then they'd be getting praised. It's only because it's City that people are being critical.

Why? Why do you think people think the way they do because it's City? If a player wants to leave then you let him go. You gain nothing by keeping an unhappy player.

How many players at City will try and force an exit from the club if they see that Tevez has been left to rot?

Well if these same players have the same mentality as Tevez then I doubt they'll care, he doesn't look too fussed about playing golf still picking up his wage does he.

 

[Biz.Kid09]

isn't such a bad deal? wow

So if we get 25m from Inter that makes it 22m and 2 seasons worth of goals and general fantastic all round play is easily worth that.

Played a massive part getting us where we are, such a shame that he ended it the way he did.

Rubbish, of course Tevez wont stay at Inter till he retires. He'll stay there 2 years max and then the talk of going back to Argentina will emerge again and if you believe the sole reason he wants out of City is because of his family then you're extremely naive.

I think he will, he might like you say go back to Corinthians when he is 30 odd but maybe not.

Not the sole reason but one of the main, why else would he want to? massive wages, chance to become part of a possibly incredibly successful team. There isn't many negatives playing for City at the moment.

 

[BaZ87]

I'm sure the sole reason Tevez continued to do the business on the pitch was due to assurances he'd be allowed to leave in the summer why else would he withdraw his transfer request?

I'm not sure you can really compare him with Modric anyway, for one Modric never handed in a transfer request, for two throughout the whole ordeal Redknapp kept enforcing the fact that Modric was causing no problems within the club and more importantly the summer was the first time (that we know of) that Modric was a serious transfer target for another club or showed any desire to move. Everyone knew that Tevez wanted to leave last season and everyone knew he'd want to leave this past summer. City were naive to think that someone like Tevez would simply buckle down and get on with it after being denied a transfer for the second consecutive transfer window.

As for Rooney, he never asked for a transfer either he just insinuated he wouldn't sign another contract and was obviously badly advised as the day after releasing the statement on why he wouldn't sign a new deal he did.

I'm certain that City wouldn't have assured Tevez that he could leave at the end of the season. They may have told him that if somebody pays x amount then he can leave. You have to remember that City even lowered their demands if he went back to South America too. City paid what it took to get him, it's their decision if and when he leaves.

As for Modric & Rooney. I'm not sure if either did hand in a transfer request however even if they didn't, it changes nothing. Players (or at least agents) hate to hand in official transfer requests because they have to give up their loyalty bonus. That doesn't change the fact that they've made it clear they want to leave though. On Modric specifically, Redknapp more or less said before the City(?) game that Modric refused to play.

 

[cm1179]

On Modric specifically, Redknapp more or less said before the City(?) game that Modric refused to play.

no, he said his head wasn't in the right place and he didn't pick him. berbatov refused to play for us once when he was asked to warm up. ******** that he was at times.

what you and bizkid are essentially saying, is that city are out to buy the title.

 

[BaZ87]

Why? Why do you think people think the way they do because it's City? If a player wants to leave then you let him go. You gain nothing by keeping an unhappy player.

We all know why Tom. People are envious of City's money and no matter what they do, the likes of yourself will be critical of them.

And City will gain something. They'll show to players and other clubs that they won't be forced into a deal that doesn't suit them. Just like Utd didn't back down and sell Ronaldo when he first said he wanted out, nor did they sell Rooney when he wanted out last year too.

Well if these same players have the same mentality as Tevez then I doubt they'll care, he doesn't look too fussed about playing golf still picking up his wage does he.

As above, it's not just about Tevez. If City stand firm they'll be setting a precedent for the future. Like I said, take Fabregas as an example, would he have forced City's hand the way he did Arsenal's after seeing what's happening to Tevez?

 

[Tom84]

I think he will, he might like you say go back to Corinthians when he is 30 odd but maybe not.

Not the sole reason but one of the main, why else would he want to? massive wages, chance to become part of a possibly incredibly successful team. There isn't many negatives playing for City at the moment.

Why wouldn't he want to stay at United? Be part of the most successful club in the country? There's no point at looking for a logical answer for why Tevez does what he does, it's either his mentality or a case of he simply does what Kia whatshisname tell him to do

 

[BaZ87]

no, he said his head wasn't in the right place and he didn't pick him. berbatov refused to play for us once when he was asked to warm up. ******** that he was at times.

This is what Redknapp said:

We all know what goes on in the game. Something happened last night -- I don't know what. His head's been turned.

While he still sees a chink of light to go to Chelsea he's probably doing what he's being told is the best way to get (a move) there. I told him he needed to play. I had injuries in midfield. He's our main man.

what you and bizkid are essentially saying, is that city are out to buy the title.

You've got some imagination if you think I've said that. What I'm saying is that clubs should stand up to players and not sell them at all costs just because they want to leave.

 

[cm1179]

You've got some imagination if you think I've said that. What I'm saying is that clubs should stand up to players and not sell them at all costs just because they want to leave.

but people are jealous of city's money and two seasons of tevez for a +£20m loss is not a bad deal? sorry, i'm a little confused.

tbf the 1-6 hammering you gave us did us a favour, you'd never have loaned us manu had you known we'd be where we are now by mid jan

 

[Biz.Kid09]

Why wouldn't he want to stay at United? Be part of the most successful club in the country? There's no point at looking for a logical answer for why Tevez does what he does, it's either his mentality or a case of he simply does what Kia whatshisname tell him to do

Money?

It is Kia. In a few years he will look back at his career and whilst he will have a big bank balance and some medals will think what he could have done at both clubs.

but people are jealous of city's money and two seasons of tevez for a +£20m loss is not a bad deal? sorry, i'm a little confused.

tbf the 1-6 hammering you gave us did us a favour, you'd never have loaned us manu had you known we'd be where we are now by mid jan

So two seasons of goals and assists and getting us champions league football isn't worth 20m?

5-1 and lol i don't think we are regretting it some how. The deal worked perfectly for us.

 

[Tom84]

We all know why Tom. People are envious of City's money and no matter what they do, the likes of yourself will be critical of them.

Critical of them how? Maybe some will have the opinion that they're buying success but I'm not one of them. I can understand the argument of those that do though but my opinion is that it's part of football now and something you just have to accept.

And City will gain something. They'll show to players and other clubs that they won't be forced into a deal that doesn't suit them. Just like Utd didn't back down and sell Ronaldo when he first said he wanted out, nor did they sell Rooney when he wanted out last year too.

It's not like United at all. It's clear we made a deal with Ronaldo to give us one more season and if he still wanted to join Real a year later we'd let him leave. I'd take a stab in the dark that Arsenal did the same with Fabregas. As for Rooney when exactly did we even have the chance to sell him? He first told the club he wouldn't sign a new deal in August once the season had started, this then became public knowledge in October and then days later he signed a new contract. Again he never asked to be sold either.

As above, it's not just about Tevez. If City stand firm they'll be setting a precedent for the future. Like I said, take Fabregas as an example, would he have forced City's hand the way he did Arsenal's after seeing what's happening to Tevez?

Fabregas (who would never of signed for City anyway) is clearly a completely different character to Tevez who had genuine affection for Arsenal and was moving purely to further his career