** January Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Tom84 said:
Critical of them how? Maybe some will have the opinion that they're buying success but I'm not one of them. I can understand the argument of those that do though but my opinion is that it's part of football now and something you just have to accept.
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Ok Tom I'll take your word for that. No matter what City do they get criticised by a section of football fans.
Tom84 said:
It's not like United at all. It's clear we made a deal with Ronaldo to give us one more season and if he still wanted to join Real a year later we'd let him leave. I'd take a stab in the dark that Arsenal did the same with Fabregas. As for Rooney when exactly did we even have the chance to sell him? He first told the club he wouldn't sign a new deal in August once the season had started, this then became public knowledge in October and then days later he signed a new contract. Again he never asked to be sold either.
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You made a deal because Real were willing to pay you what you wanted. You didn't just sell him because he wanted to leave as you're saying City should do with Tevez.

And at best Arsenal made a similar deal to what City may have made with Tevez; you can leave if we get the price we want. Had it been straight forward, the saga wouldn't have dragged on like it did. Ultimately Arsenal got shafted by Barca and for one reason only, player power. Arsenal had to bend over and take it because they don't have City's money. The money is of little importance to City so they don't have to fold. It's really not that difficult to understand.

Tom84 said:
Fabregas is clearly a completely different character to Tevez (who would never of signed for City anyway) who had genuine affection for Arsenal and was moving purely to further his career
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He had a genuine affection but he still forced his way out of Arsenal without them being properly compensated. As I said, this isn't just about Tevez. Very few players will go to the lengths of what Tevez has but one way or another if they want to leave, clubs are often forced to sell. If City stand firm then it will set an example for future players and buying clubs.
cm1179 said:
but people are jealous of city's money and two seasons of tevez for a +£20m loss is not a bad deal? sorry, i'm a little confused.
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I could tell you're confused long ago.

It's not down to you to decide what is and what isn't a bad deal for City. Did City spend £40m+ on Tevez to let him go a couple of years later for half that amount? I highly doubt it. Tevez screwed City over and if City wish and are able to, they can let him rot.
 
BaZ87 said:
It's not down to you to decide what is and what isn't a bad deal for City.
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of course it isn't doesn't mean i can't comment on what tevez has done, does it? also doesn't mean i can't comment on a £20m hit which is nothing to your owner(s)

we've had it done to us with berbatov but made £20m on the deal, if modric goes, we'll make min £20m on that, that's ideally how it and usually should work
 
No1newts said:
Believe Smith is off but not sure about Xisco.

I think Ridgewell would be a decent signing for us as we could do with someone a little more flexible and he can play LB or CB. Not really sure who else there is out there but I am sure our super scout will find someone :p
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Smith's contract is up at the end of the year but unfortunately Xisco has another year left.

Of course we want to improve everywhere, including midfield, but I also want use to be a financially viable club and only spend within our means.
 
BaZ87 said:
You made a deal because Real were willing to pay you what you wanted. You didn't just sell him because he wanted to leave as you're saying City should do with Tevez.
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True but this is where you have to factor in who the buying club is, Real enjoy smashing transfer records just as much as they do buying the best players in the world. They were never going not going to pay what we wanted. If Real were after Tevez then we probably wouldn't be having this conversation as it is though they're not and as the only clubs that are interested in Tevez are the likes of Inter, Corinthians in the summer etc you have to accept what they're willing to pay if you want the player gone.

BaZ87 said:
And at best Arsenal made a similar deal to what City may have made with Tevez; you can leave if we get the price we want. Had it been straight forward, the saga wouldn't have dragged on like it did. Ultimately Arsenal got shafted by Barca and for one reason only, player power. Arsenal had to bend over and take it because they don't have City's money. The money is of little importance to City so they don't have to fold. It's really not that difficult to understand.
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I dont think Arsenal had to sell Fabregas, nor do I think he would he of kicked up a fuss had they not. I think they sold because they respected the players wishes.

BaZ87 said:
He had a genuine affection but he still forced his way out of Arsenal without them being properly compensated.
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As above I dont feel he forced his way out at all, I think he just made it clear he wanted to join Barca and after several summers of that being clear Arsenal obliged. In terms of the fee yes Arsenal got screwed but what was Fabregas to do? Make it clear to Barca he wouldn't sign for them unless Arsenal received 40m+?

I think there's a difference between Ronaldo, Fabregas and even Modric making it clear they want to go to a certain club and what Tevez is doing.

Tevez it goes without saying is a prize douche and it's probably why only a select few clubs are willing to take the risk on him.
 
Tom84 said:
True but this is where you have to factor in who the buying club is, Real enjoy smashing transfer records just as much as they do buying the best players in the world. They were never going not going to pay what we wanted. If Real were after Tevez then we probably wouldn't be having this conversation as it is though they're not and as the only clubs that are interested in Tevez are the likes of Inter, Corinthians in the summer etc you have to accept what they're willing to pay if you want the player gone.
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So had Ronaldo said he wanted to join Barca and not Real, Utd would have willingly sold him for £40m the next summer? Of course they wouldn't have. Utd set the price for Ronaldo just like City set the price for Tevez. It's then down to the clubs to hold out for as long as they can/are willing to.
Tom84 said:
I dont think Arsenal had to sell Fabregas, nor do I think he would he of kicked up a fuss had they not. I think they sold because they respected the players wishes.
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I didn't think Fabregas would have kicked up a fuss but he did. Just like Modric, he wasn't in the right frame of mind to play and he went into the start of the new season without playing any pre-season games and then wasn't in a position to start the season (even had Arsenal tried to get him to play).

Tom84 said:
As above I dont feel he forced his way out at all, I think he just made it clear he wanted to join Barca and after several summers of that being clear Arsenal obliged. In terms of the fee yes Arsenal got screwed but what was Fabregas to do? Make it clear to Barca he wouldn't sign for them unless Arsenal received 40m+?
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Fabregas (and all players) should accept the decision of the club he signed a contract with. It doesn't work like that though. Fabregas made it clear he wanted to join Barca and only Barca and put Arsenal in a position where they had a choice of getting whatever Barca offered or letting him run down his deal. Arsenal haven't got City's money so had 1 choice.
Tom84 said:
I think there's a difference between Ronaldo, Fabregas and even Modric making it clear they want to go to a certain club and what Tevez is doing.

Tevez it goes without saying is a prize douche and it's probably why only a select few clubs are willing to take the risk on him.
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I know there's a difference. Very few players will do what Tevez has done but the length's he's gone to only make it more important that City stand firm imo.

Players sign long term deals but expect to be able to leave whenever they want. Just like clubs have to keep hold of players they no longer want but can't sell, players should have to stay put if the club doesn't want to sell.
 
BaZ87 said:
So had Ronaldo said he wanted to join Barca and not Real, Utd would have willingly sold him for £40m the next summer? Of course they wouldn't have.
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I disagree. We'd have had to cave eventually regardless of whether it was Real or Barca we were dealing with.

BaZ87 said:
I didn't think Fabregas would have kicked up a fuss but he did. Just like Modric, he wasn't in the right frame of mind to play and he went into the start of the new season without playing any pre-season games and then wasn't in a position to start the season (even had Arsenal tried to get him to play).
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Is that really kicking up a fuss? Being a bit of a pansy yes but in Modric's case he hasn't refused to play for Spurs long term and nor would Fabregas of imo

BaZ87 said:
Players sign long term deals but expect to be able to leave whenever they want. Just like clubs have to keep hold of players they no longer want but can't sell, players should have to stay put if the club doesn't want to sell.
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But the other way of looking at it is that like any other job you should have the right to work where ever you want. You can say a footballers contract ties them to a club for x amount of years but that doesn't stop the club choosing to sell the player during that contract does it so why should it stop the player from looking to move elsewhere?
Your point about a club not wanting a player under contract anymore is also like any other walk of life, there's probably plenty of people in jobs whereby their boss wish they'd do one but without sufficient reason cant force the issue.
Other than the legal aspects what exactly is the point of a contract and it's length? It's certainly not binding for either party
 
Robbo said:
Any more news on Berbatov in Germany? :(
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There were plenty of United fans against him, why has there been such a change in opinion of him?

Was it not ~6 months ago people were calling him useless, lazy and calling for him to be sold?
 
Tummy said:
There were plenty of United fans against him, why has there been such a change in opinion of him?

Was it not ~6 months ago people were calling him useless, lazy and calling for him to be sold?
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Those people are clueless, best to ignore them. :p
 
Tom84 said:
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We're just going to keep going around in circles Tom. I'm personally happy that City are not backing down and letting Tevez go where he wants, when he wants and for how much he wants. Unfortunately other clubs can't stand as firm as City because ultimately their actions will damage them in the pocket. This isn't much of a concern for City though.

On the contract stuff as a general point. While clubs are paying transfer fees for players then we can't compare them to ordinary jobs. I'm not saying clubs should be allowed to ship out players that don't want to leave but that players should be forced to stay if the club doesn't want to sell them. What I'm saying is that if you sign a contract for 4 years then the only way you can leave before that or the only way the club can sell you before those 4 years are up is if both the player and the club agree they want to go.

Very rarely is a player forced out against his wishes though. It's not unusual for a player to leave against the clubs wishes though and that's an issue that only clubs like City can stand up to.
 
BaZ87 said:
On the contract stuff as a general point. While clubs are paying transfer fees for players then we can't compare them to ordinary jobs. I'm not saying clubs should be allowed to ship out players that don't want to leave but that players should be forced to stay if the club doesn't want to sell them. What I'm saying is that if you sign a contract for 4 years then the only way you can leave before that or the only way the club can sell you before those 4 years are up is if both the player and the club agree they want to go.

Very rarely is a player forced out against his wishes though. It's not unusual for a player to leave against the clubs wishes though and that's an issue that only clubs like City can stand up to.
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I think most players will go when the club decide to sell you though, I dont think John O'Shea wanted to leave us in the summer but when we accepted Sunderland's bid he went along with it. Gibson for a long time disagreed with Trapattoni pleas to leave United always sighting that it's better to be at United even with the lack of games than to go elsewhere and play/train with inferior players..... that was until we accepted Sunderlands bid in the summer and now he's gone to Everton and changed his tune

Like you said very few players are forced out but most do go along with the clubs wishes, the only argument you can have for clubs not going along with the players wishes is that they've spent the money to bring the player to the club in the first place which is why they are entitled to name their price.... in Tevez's case though that price is unreasonable to the buyers.

I think to end this what is obvious is that City dont mind having Tevez on their payroll playing golf in Argentina. Sticking to your principles is all well and good but if it were my club I'd prefer them to take what's being offered and let him be someone else's problem.
 
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