Zaha: 26 games, 5 goals, 4 assists in a team that's 4th in the league.
Ince: 25 games, 13 goals, 10 assists in a side that's 15th in the league.
edit: and I was never impressed with Ince when he was at Liverpool.
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Zaha: 26 games, 5 goals, 4 assists in a team that's 4th in the league.
Ince: 25 games, 13 goals, 10 assists in a side that's 15th in the league.
edit: and I was never impressed with Ince when he was at Liverpool.
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I hope this Zaha rumour isn't true.
Wilfried Zaha to sign for before 1st February 2013
Sign For Before 1st February Loan deals do count, if player does not move clubs all bets are settled as losers
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Thats the thing, when he is good he is second to none in the PL but he is inconsistent and has been for a while now.
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While Young and Valencia are both perfectly consistent.
Andy has it on Zaha, he's 17, shear pace and a lot of step overs. That always looks amazing in the Champ, hardly anyone can pull off that trick, but his running is a bit one dimensional. He also currently doesn't have the head of a pro footballer on him, so as soon as he's taken out the game (marking, good tackling, interceptions) his head drops and he turns into a petulant 17 year old.
Potentially a really good player, but a £12m move to united is not going to let him realise this as he will suffer horribly with the over inflated ego and silly expectations. For a comparative buy of English and similar age/position AOC was a much better bet at £12m.
Oh and youtube Steve De Ridder for the ultimate player who looked good on youtube and turned out to be poo
Raheem Sterling is pretty much the same and he's doing OK isn't he? There are plenty of poor quality defenders in the prem for him to skin.
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Come on Arsenal....
Wenger is too prudent. The prices quoted for both Loic Remy and M’Vila for a combined 15 mill, we are missing out on bargins here!
Arsenal are probably the biggest club with the most need for reinforcements.
Even if these two are not world class, the price for two such players is good, and they would add to the squad where we are weakest.
Wenger is too prudent. The prices quoted for both Loic Remy and M’Vila for a combined 15 mill, we are missing out on bargins here!
Arsenal are probably the biggest club with the most need for reinforcements.
Even if these two are not world class, the price for two such players is good, and they would add to the squad where we are weakest.
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but Arsenal want to be a top side and Remy isn't a top striker. and M'vila is as far as I can tell a relative unknown quantity? It's also such a (relative) risk buying from the French league because of how poor the standard is in comparison to the Prem. Gervinho / Giroud / Hazard all tore it up but to be honest don't look particularly special here...
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True. But that could be said for most foreign players accross europe.
Thats why English or rather premiership based player have such a premium.
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I feel a bit sorry for Southampton, Wigan, Reading and West Ham. They have slogged their guts out to retain a chance of not being relegated and QPR go and drop silly cash on two players who Spurs were about to sign.
Remy and MVilla may not be world beaters but they are a huge leap above the players in relegaom cadidates' squads.
Good old harry; only goes where he can spend his way to glory.
Remy and MVilla may not be world beaters but they are a huge leap above the players in relegaom cadidates' squads.
Good old harry; only goes where he can spend his way to glory.
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Hmm not exactly glowing reports on zahaer then. Fergie I am dissapoint.
To me, unless a player is as good (skilful, pacey, can finish) like hatem Ben Arfa or Mata or hazard then we shouldn't even entertain signing them.
So like kagawa for instance.
To me, unless a player is as good (skilful, pacey, can finish) like hatem Ben Arfa or Mata or hazard then we shouldn't even entertain signing them.
So like kagawa for instance.
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They are unknown unless you watch them, unknown to you doesn't mean unknown to others. 15mil for two players who no other top clubs are remotely interested in? A 17year old playing in Norway that not everyone has heard of who happens to be brilliant and you get as a bargain, sure, a 20+ year old who has played for the national side, played for years, and been scouted by many thousands of scouts and hundreds of clubs across Europe and there is little to no interest?
Two players for 15mil isn't a bargain unless those two players are good. M'villa, well is being touted as a problematic player because of some completely nonsense, went out before a French game(friendly maybe?) when the whole team did, refused to shake Blancs hand so he's a terrible influence, press makes mountains out of molehills, whenever they choose to. However when I've seen him play I've seen nothing impressive at all, Remy, is angling for a move and the club haven't relied on him as such... I don't care if players want to move but when a club feels they can bench a player it only suggests to me they aren't as good as everyone likes to make out. Likewise he's scored an ok amount but 10-15 goals in 30-40 games isn't that impressive, he also shoots quite a lot and hasn't put in a season with a particularly great shots/goals ratio.
Again I've not really seen anything to suggest that M'villa/Remy will be anything special, and 80k a week for either would simply be the same problem Arsenal have had for years, overpaying average players for no reason and screwing ourselves financially.
As for adding where we are weakest, that is the most ridiculous statement of all, Arsenal has, central midfielders, and central strikers, and thats it. We have one potentially good fullback who doesn't get played and 3 woeful ones, we have zero natural wingers at the club, we have a bunch of central strikers and central midfield players we play out wide, central midfield we aren't lacking in even remotely and upfront we aren't lacking remotely.
Wilshire and Arteta are both excellent defensively and by excellent I mean, amongst the best in the league with Wilshire being probably the best. Podolski has proven many times in his career that he's a top striker, there is a class that you see when he is in the box and finishing, but we play him out wide in the wrong system with the wrong player upfront most of the season.
These two would add the least possible to the squad, neither would be starters, both are being offered 80k a week to start at QPR(I'm guessing for M'villa but its likely similar to Remy), neither are cheap, both are incredibly expensive on wages, and 15mil is in no way "cheap" for back up players who won't play. Wenger rarely rotates except after injury, like Chamakh, and thus neither would likely pay. 15mil + 8mil a season for 4 years is 47million for 2 players who won't be first team, that we can't use on buying actual top players who will play every game... cheap..... no.
Arsenal have a 143mil(last season) wage bill full of "cheap" players... loads of cheap players who aren't good enough means you can't afford top players who are good enough, it is the fundamental reason Arsenal can't pay guys like RVP 150k a week or pay 30mil transfer fee's, cheap... not even close.
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To be fair we spent loads in the summer, but in the wrong areas.
I'm not that worried, I am still confident QPR at home in march will get 'Arry sacked.
I don't see how Remy will help seeing he's on a massive wage and has hardly played/scored in the French league, just an even more over hyped Chamak.
M'Villa is supposed to be a mess that'll suit QPR but for all the wrong (Barton type) reasons.
Even with these additions Saints still have a much better midfield and I just don't see how QPR are going to go onto a win 15 out of the last 16 run to escape trouble.
18m on Rodriguez and Ramirez
Ramirez looks good...
(and arguably paying 7m for that penalty from Rodriguez last saturday is worth it too, potentially keeping us up and sending Villa down)
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Wenger's latest on Arsenal's activity in the transfer window
"We are working very hard," Wenger told Arsenal Player.
"First of all we want to sort out the injuries we have, and we are trying very hard to close the deal with Walcott. Once we have done that, we will certainly do something else. At the moment I cannot tell you more.
"It has become more difficult [to buy players in January] for one simple reason: we have a good squad. I know we swim against the stream a bit because people don’t believe that. I say we have a very good squad.
"But we have some improvements to make and we know exactly where. In January it is difficult to find the players that are really better and can give something special to the squad. The number is right, we have a good balance and we are working very hard to find what we want."
Pathetic! Why do we need to sort out the injuries we have before making a move for players?? What does this have to do with anything?! We're light in all areas of the squad even if everyone is fit.
I know this is what we have come to expect but what ridiculous excuses!
"We are working very hard," Wenger told Arsenal Player.
"First of all we want to sort out the injuries we have, and we are trying very hard to close the deal with Walcott. Once we have done that, we will certainly do something else. At the moment I cannot tell you more.
"It has become more difficult [to buy players in January] for one simple reason: we have a good squad. I know we swim against the stream a bit because people don’t believe that. I say we have a very good squad.
"But we have some improvements to make and we know exactly where. In January it is difficult to find the players that are really better and can give something special to the squad. The number is right, we have a good balance and we are working very hard to find what we want."
Pathetic! Why do we need to sort out the injuries we have before making a move for players?? What does this have to do with anything?! We're light in all areas of the squad even if everyone is fit.
I know this is what we have come to expect but what ridiculous excuses!