Just finished Babylon 5 Series 1-5... my life now feels empty. *POSSIBLE SPOILERS*

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!!!!WARNING WHILE MY FIRST POST WILL PURPOSEFULLY NOT CONTAIN ANYTHING I CONSIDER SPOILERS, LATER POSTS MAY, SO BEAR THAT IN MIND PLEASE WHEN READING FURTHER!!!!

Following on from the "Just finished Battlestar Galactica... my life now feels empty" thread here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17787432&highlight=galactica we now have the all-new, all-sdingin and dancing "Just finished Babylon 5 Series 1-5... my life now feels empty.", a sequel in its' own right.

So before we start... for those who have no idea what we're talking about...

Babylon 5 WIki page *CONTAINS PLOT SPOILERS, READ WITH CAUTION*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon_5

Basically over the last few months since having Babylon 5 re-reccommended to me in the prior thread, I took it upon myself to watch the entire main series and movies, back to back, either on my business trips on or a night-time after work. The problem is that once I get into a series I just can't help it... I tend to watch it like a man possessed until there's nothing left to watch.

Particular attention needs to be paid to the viewing order of the episodes and movies, and the order I watched it in, which fits perfectly, is this:

  1. Watch the B5 movie "The Gathering".
  2. Season 1
  3. Season 2
  4. Season 3
  5. Watch Season 4 up to episode "The illusion of truth"
  6. Watch the B5 movie "Thirdspace"
  7. Season 4: continue with episodes 9-22
  8. Watch Season 5 up to episode "Objects at Rest"
  9. Watch the B5 movie "River of Souls"
  10. Watch the B5 movie "In the Beginning". This is a prelude set 10 years before Babylon 5. Against the logic of the title, I would strongly recommend seeing it at this stage. Should one see it before Season 1, much of the suspense in the main series would be ruined.
  11. Watch the B5 movie "A Call to Arms". This movie lays the groundwork for the spin-off TV series "Crusade".
  12. Season 5: watch final episode "Sleeping in light"
  13. Watch Crusade Series

So... what do I have to say about the veritable journey that has been Babylon 5? Amazing. Awe-inspiring. Epic. Almost humbling in its' scale. When I began S1 and watched through the first few episodes I couldn't help but chuckle to myself... the music was cheesy, the CGI effects were very basic, and some of the acting was hammier than a wedge of gammon. Yet it was still eminently watchable, and one thing I noticed that could not be faulted were the costumes and make-up... they are all bloody excellent and I think very realistically done, kudos to them for that. All-in-all it makes for one of the richest, most diverse Sci-Fi settings ever devised, and certainly for me one of the most 'believable'. They created some great alien races.

Anyway as the story started to develop I then began to get used to the characters. Commander Sinclair with his two-tone acting, Garibaldi with his cockatiel haircut and failure to pull off a serious acting face and Ivonava... who at first irritated me and then grew to love. However let me say now before I go any further that for me personally two performances stood head and shoulders above the rest (almost three, but i'll get to that), those of the Narn ambassador G'Kar, and the Centauri ambassador, Londo Mollari. Consistent throughout the entire series, no other actors for me proved so versatile and convincing. G'Kar who at first portrayed to be a spiteful hateful figure before becoming truly enlightened and delivereg some of the most moving lines i've ever had the good grace to hear, and Londo as the good-natured buffoon who develops almost unwillingly into a character tortured by his own conscience. Saying any more would ruin things, and I don't want to make this into a spoiler thread, but in all truth they were two of the finest character performances I have ever seen in my life, with the edge going to Londo (real name: Peter Jurasic) I think.

Also worth noting for a consistently good performance was the sinister Psi-Cop Alfred Bester, played by none other than Pavel Chekov form Star Trek! While he isn't seen half as much as the other characters, his performance was at all times convincing as a chilling telepath, completely ruthless but with a humorous, sometimes sentimental and emotional edge that served to completely lighten his character where it would otherwise sometimes have been overwhelmingly dark. You can't help but like him on some level. Of course than you have the main protagonist of the story John Sheridan, who despite at first thinking was the most rubbish actor since Hayden Christensen, I kind of got used to as the story developed, even garnering a bit of affection for him. Anyway, to cover every character would take pages and pages, there are other good people in there, but those are the ones which stood out for me.

So the story... how is it? Basically slow to start, but once it kicks in it becomes hpypnotising, gripping, so good you literally have to force yourself to turn the TV off and go to bed before you automatically flick on another episode. I revolves around politics, intrigue, heavy lashings of religion, and of course grand alien conspiracies to take over the universe muahahaha. Well, sort of anyway, but saying too much about any aspect of the main plot would ruin things. All you need to to bear in mind is one thing: Vorlons are hard. Very hard. The quality of some of the episodes (and even some of the 'movies' varies between "cack, used a as a filler between the main story episodes" and "Oh my god, this is so epic i've just spaffed on my remote". The saga is not meant to be viewed in terms of any one single episode, it is meant to be taken as a whole in order to appreciate how the story evolves and ties in, and watch questions be answered. Not everyone can follow that mindset, but those who can will be greatly rewarded, likely the same sort who enjoyed BSG.

It's hard to go into too deep a review without giving some things away, but I hope i've given some inkling of how majestic this series is, and I suggest that any of you with any remote interest in Sci-Fi who have the patience to sit down and really get "into" a series without expecting non-stop action every 5 minutes pick these up immediately, and treat yourself to one of the best television experiences you will get in this lifetime.

Now to start Crusade... I hear it's not too bad for a spin-off.. :)
 
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B5 was for me the deepest sc-fi series around, and nothing has come close to its depth, the way the story twists and turns to reveal new things and answer old questions, it was well written and most enjoyable, Crusade on the otherhand was terrible.
 
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Unfortunately for Crusade, it came to a bad end with only 13 episodes, 4 unfilmed and then dropped.

As for B5, exellent. Got 2 boxsets and trying to get the rest :)
 
yep the glory days good ole B5.

Londo was my favourite as well. He had all the best lines/dialogue as well as actuall subplots. Superb. Especially his nefarious dealings with Mr Morden ;)

p.s. Marcus was my 2nd favourite.
 
Great series, which really had never been bettered until Battlestar Galactica came along.

I'm with you with Marcus. What a guy...

And as for Ivanova...mmm...Ivanova...
 
Marcus was decent, a blend of irritating and amusing, but in no way a top ranker imo, at least until his love for Iva became apparent and then it became touching.
 
That was when he became great though, right at the end.

And the 'In 5 seconds time I'll be the only one conscious' bar fight scene (which I'm probably paraphrasing as I haven't watched it for ages).

She could at least have boffed him... :D

G'Kar was also fantastic, and had some great lines. And Garibaldi before he got too mental. And Delenn. In fact they were all pretty damn good. And there are too many quotable Londo lines...

'Landing thrusters, landing thrusters...if I were landing thrusters which one of these would I be?'.

Thinking about it, the whole series is full of great quotes...

http://scv.bu.edu/~aarondf/b5quotes.html
 
Londo & G'Kar were great, especially when you threw in Mr Garibaldi at the same time. Marcus was annoying at best! Now talking Ivanova, mmmmm, yes please! Especially with the blonde teep Talia Winters! Ooooooh baby, had a few thoughts about geting those two in the friction-less sheets (though that would just mean we would all end up on the floor because we just slid off due to no friction surely? Mind you, the floor would still do :))

Got the full Video collection of B5 somewhere (think it might be in the loft at my mums house) then got them all again on DVD. Usually watch them about once a year.
 
There's a Legend of the Rangers pilot to a cancelled spin off as well. Probably worth picking up to be complete.

And also most recently, Lost Tales. Neither add much to the series mind.
 
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tempted to buy the complete collection on dvd but wondering if i should wait to see if it appears on bluray hrmm...
 
A Blu-Ray B5 set would be sex!

Anyway I just finished the first two episodes of Crusade and suffice to say I am distinctly underwhelmed. When im into a series and love the background I can forgive a lot of faults, but so far this has been distinctly third, even fourth rate in every aspect. I'll watch them all anyway, but I have a feeling it may be a bit of a struggle. :D
 
S4 was excellent but then S5 was utter garbage.. The episodes were made out of all the padding that should have been in S4 but was cut out to get the war story finished because they thought they were not going to get another series...

The films (River of souls etc) Are really poor too...
 
B5 is one of my all time favourite sci-fi series along with Stargate.
I watched the full run when it was first televised then had to pine because I was too poor to afford the VHS releases. :(

I picked up the DVD boxsets a couple of years ago then sold them last year when I needed the money :( I'll be picking up the complete collection as soon as possible though, although I'm tempted to wait incase they do a HD release.

G'Kar and Londo were definitely the best characters and they had all the best lines and best stories. I also thought the spacecraft were some of the best around (especially the Star Fury, which looked as if it could work in real life) and when they did happen the battle scenes were great as well. The opening music was also awesome.

Haven't seen Crusade yet but I'm not sure if I want to spoil things.
 
S4 was excellent but then S5 was utter garbage.. The episodes were made out of all the padding that should have been in S4 but was cut out to get the war story finished because they thought they were not going to get another series...

The films (River of souls etc) Are really poor too...

Except for season 5's "Sleeping in Light" which was fantastic and very moving (OK so it was made during season 4). In fact i though a few of the later season 5 episodes very actually pretty decent.

Richdog, give Crusade a chance it has some good episodes, and i think given a chance would have been pretty decent.
 
Haven't seen Crusade yet but I'm not sure if I want to spoil things.

You need to watch crusade if you have watched all the other series... it has more backstory and expands on events during the telepath war etc. That alone makes it a must-watch for any fan, although the first couple of episodes are poor.

Except for season 5's "Sleeping in Light" which was fantastic and very moving (OK so it was made during season 4). In fact i though a few of the later season 5 episodes very actually pretty decent.

Richdog, give Crusade a chance it has some good episodes, and i think given a chance would have been pretty decent.

I actually enjoyed Season 5 too... it wasn't quite as epic as S3 + S4, but it did the job tying up the ends and winding things down I think.

On Episode 3 of Crusade... don't worry i'll watch them all. :)
 
Season 5's main problem was that they didn't think they were going to make it, so had to wrap up a lot of the story in S4 (iirc the events of S4 and 5 were meant to be spread out between the two, rather than the main story finishing in S4).

Crusade was fairly good, but got canned far too early for most of the actors to find their feet and get up and running properly, and had a lot of interference from the studio (S1 of B5 wasn't too great on it's own, but picked up as the story got expanded and you realised how it related to everything else).
 
Ahh B5, can you believe it started about 15 or so years ago now?! I loved it straight away and i'm still a massive fan as are many people, it's such a shame it's not more highly regarded as it really broke to mould when it hit our screens.

I remember being amazed that all the space scenes were completely computer generated (on Amigas! (at first)) and they actually used newtonian physics which brought a new level of realism to the ship battles. The way the various story lines intertwined and stretched through the series rewarded the loyal viewer was a joy as well.

Ok so some of the acting was pretty bad and their tiny budget compared to the likes of star trek did mean some ropey sets, but as a whole the show was way ahead of its time an while this was recognised in the awards the show won i think people forget or don't even realise how it influenced those that followed it.
 
I concider my self an avid SCI-FI fan ive sen every trek episode, orig and new BSG wich in my estimate is pure gold television. Firefly was also a great show and should have seen a good 5 season run. The X Files and heroes, heck id even say The MIGHTY BOOSH was some weird SCI-FI i love the 4400 was also good but i must admit ive never watched BABYLON 5 and now i think about it i am really surprised how i havnt.
i think after wreading this thread i have something to keep me occupied for the next couple weeks, i love series binging :D good 2 or 3 season binges over the space of 3 or 4 days are real fun though work does tend to suffer for them :)
cheers for the heads up i shall enjoy this journey into BABYLON 5
 
I concider my self an avid SCI-FI fan ive sen every trek episode, orig and new BSG wich in my estimate is pure gold television. Firefly was also a great show and should have seen a good 5 season run. The X Files and heroes, heck id even say The MIGHTY BOOSH was some weird SCI-FI i love the 4400 was also good but i must admit ive never watched BABYLON 5 and now i think about it i am really surprised how i havnt.
i think after wreading this thread i have something to keep me occupied for the next couple weeks, i love series binging :D good 2 or 3 season binges over the space of 3 or 4 days are real fun though work does tend to suffer for them :)
cheers for the heads up i shall enjoy this journey into BABYLON 5

Please bare in mind that B5 hit our screen in the early nineties and had tiny budget compared to star trek et al, it may appear cheesy at first but stick with it and you will realise how great it is.
 
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