Just purchased a car, Bargain or not?

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Hi, Due to my trusty steed seizing it's engine i have had to purchase a new car, I traveled 40 miles to get it as well.

My new car is a 53 Plate (but built in 2004) peugeot 307 2.0 S HDI 110bhp AC, Black in colour, original alloys, 63K on the clock, Full Service history and HPI check is fine, its in great condition with a few scratches and sall stone chips in the bonnet, i got it for £4550.

What do you reckon bargain or rip off?

Thanks
 
Just sold a 307 1.4 HDI LX 2002 with 95k on the clock for £3500, the price you paid sounds reasonable, though not exactly a bargain.


Check that odometer is correctly recording your mileage as well, as its a know fault on early 307's.
 
My old car was falling apart anyway and i was going to buy a new car next year, I don't want anything to sporty just something that looks nice and it needed to be diesel as i do many many miles in it also needed to have some poke in it which this has got.

not actually sure why its not a great car, I can't see anything wrong with it and most of the reviews i have read rate it high?
 
Colbaker said:
I might have to do some more research then as i have not read any reviews saying that.

Of course you havn't, becuase reviews test a nice brand new car with less than 2000 miles on it.
 
Colbaker said:
My old car was falling apart anyway and i was going to buy a new car next year, I don't want anything to sporty just something that looks nice and it needed to be diesel as i do many many miles in it also needed to have some poke in it which this has got.

not actually sure why its not a great car, I can't see anything wrong with it and most of the reviews i have read rate it high?

Early cars have a reputation for sketchy electrics and poor interior finish, the engine and drivetrain are solid though and shouldn't give many problems.
 
I had a 307 2L HDI as a company car for a few months, was quite nice but the flywheel failed - turned out to be a known problem so watch out for what feels like clutch judder.
 
The Honest John report doesn't sound that promising.

What's Bad
Mini MPV attributes do not extend to a flat floor with no centre console as in earlier versions of the Honda Civic. Doesn't shift the goalposts set by the Ford Focus. Clap hands wipers leave unwiped section next to screen pillars. Footwell designed for left hand drive. Problems include total power failures, total (Multiplex) electrical failures, trip computer failures, service indicator failures, poor starting, brake pedals falling off, steering column stalk malfunctions, splits in seat covers, rattles, screen leaks, cracked screens, complaints of poor ride quality even on 1.6 and 1.4HDI versions. ECU problem with HDIs causes flat spots and hesitation. A permanent cure seems to be slow in coming through. Shocking 4th from Bottom of 100 models for reliability in Auto Express 2002 survey. One Backroomer's list of problems:- "electronic service indicator counting down very very quickly, carpet coming adfift of the trim, exterior door rubbing strips coming adrift of the door, a breakdown whilst driving, steering lock/ignition key recall problem, glovebox release mechanism broken, horn intermittently not working, paint chipping on bonnet despite mainly slow speed driving, hatchback would not close until shut several times, rear seat velour stitching not finished, remote central locking intermittently not working, electronic oil level indicator reading empty despite being virtually full, etc." Fault in indicator stalks very common on 307s from May 2001. Many owners force and break them. Free fix available in France from December 2002, in UK from January 2003 but by 2007 this had been wirthdrawn. On HDIs, rubber cushioned timing belt pulley needs replacing at same time as timing belt (60k - 70k miles) otherwise can separate. Odometer over-reading problem cured by dealer sofwear upload via OBD2 port. Clutch judder can develop on 2001/2002 diesels, caused by wear in internal damper of dual mass flywheel. Needs replacing with modified unit to solve the problem. Older cars (2001/2002) may suffer water ingess to the ABS ECU and need a new ECU. Petrol models average for breakdowns and faults but poor for problems; diesels average for breakdowns bur poor for problems and faults in 2003 Which survey. 3rd from bottom out of 137 models in 2003 Top Gear survey. 307 3rd bottom model in 2004 JD Power Customer Satisfaction Survey. Clutch failures increasingly common. Came 20th = from bottom in 2005 JD Power/What Car Survey of 23,000 cars reg Sep 2002 to Aug 2003 with satisfaction score of 75.4%. Problem of 1.6 and 2.0 16v diesels slipping into limp home mode put down to throttle butterflies sticking or their spindles wearing prematurely causing them to stick. The throttle position sensor identifies this and sends a message to the ECU to limit the engine to limp home mode. Alternater belt tensioner bolt can snap off the block. Can develop a minor wiring harness fault that causes the heater fan resistors to fail.
 
Virdi said:
That's the right price - The HDi engines are good.
2.0 litre diesel that produces 110bhp sounds pretty poor to me, or is it non turbo or something?
 
Duke said:
2.0 litre diesel that produces 110bhp sounds pretty poor to me, or is it non turbo or something?

The 2litre HDI unit is now quite old, it was one of the first common rail dervs that went into the french cars. Came out something like 1998-1999 at the time it was very good. Technology in this area has advanced a bit over the 8 years tho. They are/were very good engines actually. Nice to drive, step up from the old 1.9TD units etc etc. Mine did have a tendency to stall randomly ocassionally tho. It was very odd accelerating away and the power cutting out at 20mph at 2.5k revs!!
 
Its the same engine as in my 306 HDi but they added an intercooler. I like the 307's they have good pull upto around 100mph in the 90bhp flavour, the 110bhp pulls more so. They have a good deal of equipment inside but as usual watch out for dodgy French electrics. One down side is handling, it's not exactly great with quite a bit of roll when exiting corners but aside from that the torque is great, I've drove one in 5th gear at 25mph and had no need to touch the accelerator.
 
mattpc said:
The 2litre HDI unit is now quite old, it was one of the first common rail dervs that went into the french cars. Came out something like 1998-1999 at the time it was very good. Technology in this area has advanced a bit over the 8 years tho. They are/were very good engines actually. Nice to drive, step up from the old 1.9TD units etc etc. Mine did have a tendency to stall randomly ocassionally tho. It was very odd accelerating away and the power cutting out at 20mph at 2.5k revs!!
Yeah they have come a long way, especially the last 2-3 years. The Saab/Alfa 1.9TD unit is ~150BHP.
 
DiscoKandy said:
Latter 2.0 HDI's came in two flavours, 110hp and 136hp. Both are intercooled turbo's.


I think the later 16v units were 110hp for the 1.6, and 136hp for the 2.0? Either way...


As a previous owner of a 307 I have to echo Fox's comments:
[TW]Fox said:
They break *all* the time.

Just make sure you keep on top of the servicing, should be due for it's cambelt at 70k miles also.
 
My parents used to have an identical car to that, 53 plate hdi 307. It was the worst car they have ever owned by a long, long way. Seriously, even their older 1.2 clio was a better car.

Sorry to **** on your bonfire, but they aren't nice cars at all, i'd much prefer a Focus.
 
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