Soldato
What's up, run out of argument so you have to repeat the same meme on the same page of the same thread....
I can't put it better myself, so why not?
Just what IS it about Islam that makes them violent?
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I can't put it better myself, so why not?
So because you cannot elucidate an opinion of your own, you just repeat someone else's, particularly one as one dimensional as Ronnelle Adams.
The quote itself is a little daft given the meaning of Fundamentalist in the perjorative context is not really relative to the term Fundamental. With regard to Islamic Fundamentalism it is simply a misused term, as the type of Islamic interpretation being commonly referred to is not based on the fundamental pillars of their belief, but on a radicalised and relatively modern interpretation suited to a political and social ideology. With regard to Christianity it refers to a literalist or historical-grammatical interpretation and again abrogates many of the fundamentals of the religion which it radicalises.
So you could probably say it better as the statement is not really anything more than a poorly reasoned albeit media savvy soundbite.
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So because you cannot elucidate an opinion of your own, you just repeat someone else's, particularly one as one dimensional as Ronnelle Adams.
Is there something wrong, in principle, in quoting an opinion you agree with? Some folk aren't good at the whole eloquent argument thing, so they have to borrow the words of others. If it helps them make their point, I fail to see why this is a problem.
No, not at all as long as it is used to support your own stated opinion rather than being in lieu of your stated opinion, quotes should be used to support something you have stated yourself in order to help illustrate or clarify, not really used as a replacement for your stating your own opinion, particularly if you are simply going to repeat it every couple of posts or so.....It also helps if you realise the nature of what you are quoting and whether it is actually an objective well thought out opinion or simply a media-savvy soundbite.
Like you say, there is no problem if it HELPS them to make their point, as opposed to being in lieu of having your own opinion.
Besides I was partially being facetious, hence the smilies...
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The trouble with that idea is that forming an opinion about anything is more of a collaborative process than we'd like to admit. Often, the first time we form any opinion at all beyond "I don't really care either way", is when we listen to someone speak passionately about the subject and realise that he or she makes some very good points, and that this is actually something worth caring about. Is it any surprise then when your opinion closely matches that of the person who influenced it, and that the best words available to express that opinion come from that person?
Indeed, but rarely do we form an opinion based on a single speech or soundbite, nor should we abrogate our own rationale and ability to think by assuming the opinion of another in order to forgo the need to think and reason for ourselves. The point is forming your own opinion, not simply assuming the opinion of another as your own. Quotes should support your own opinion, not be your own opinion.
Simply posting a quote/soundbite/meme instead of your own supporting opinion, in other words, what you think and why, is either lazy or illustrative of a lack of thought or understanding on the part of the poster in my opinion. If everyone simply posted the words of others they agreed with then there would be no discussion.
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Soldato
YAAAAAWWWWWWWWN
This thread is just as boring as the other weekly islamaphobic threads, that even I've got bored contributing to GD.......
And yet you felt compelled to post in here anyway.
Is there something inherently islamophobic about pointing out the Islam-inspired violence?
Soldato
I'm being part lazy and part wind-up, sure, but it is essentially what I'd have said anyway - just a lot more succinctly, because:So because you cannot elucidate an opinion of your own, you just repeat someone else's, particularly one as one dimensional as Ronnelle Adams.
I disagree with this.
Maybe you should try reading Salman Rushdie yourself first then Bhavv....rather that telling everyone else to.
Maybe Muslims should actually read the Koran rather than telling everyone else to. Im not even bothered by the book, just the mere facts of the book burnings and fatwas. I find it incredibly hypocritical of Muslims to be offended by Korans being burned while members of their own flock are burning blasphemous books and even bibles.
I want aware that Memri and Al Jazeera were garbage, nor many of the other legit news channels I watch. Thanks for your opinion, but they seem to be far less garbage than anything I read written by you. Most people, actually every person I watch on youtube possesses a vastly superior sense of logic and reason in their aruguments than anything I see written by you. You obviously have a soft spot and a weakness for needing to defend religion, regardless of any of its obvious flaws.
I've also seen enough reality regarding religion with my own eyes and in my own life, there nothing about it that is good or worth defending, and it is simply 'demonic' to begin with.
and you might want to look again at the so called statistics from Wikipedia you posted, as they are a little contradictory, for example 61% believe homosexuality should be illegal, yet only 11% disagree with the UK stance on gay rights with 47% proud of the UK stance on gay rights...clearly they don't add up..
Clearly you dont understand how wikipedia works. The figures given are quotes from multiple original sources, which are all referenced at the bottom of the article, similarly to how one would write and reference a paper at University. Im already aware of the contradiction in the points you mentioned, however it took me less than a second to realize they were from different sources.
Im not arguing numbers, I dont give a crap about how much or how little of a proportion of faith schools teach such rubbish things, yet the fact that it happens is enough for it to be a negative for me, and highlights a strong problem within the regulation of these faith schools. I dont understand why you think that giving me your own opinion on majority / minority figures means anything at all, or that it provides a defensible excuse for the cases of extremism that I raise.
Theres also cases like this in the news now:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/jul/17/creationist-groups-approval-free-schools
Creationism is being allowed to be taught in UK faith schools, as well as imported extremist Saudi / Wahabi versions of Islam in Mosques across this country. This is an absolute FACT, and one that for some reason you feel like defending and wanting to ignore the reality of the issue.
The majority of Neo Nazis / BNP / EDL / National Front members simply want to get on with their lives just like any other normal person, and have no interest in being an extremist or participating in terror ... most would rather not have to put up with this incessant demonisation of them either. And regarding 'demonisation', this isnt even a valid term, or it is always applied incorrectly. The only demonisation of any religion I ever see is that die to the actions of followers of that religion. Also both the koran and bible are full of nothing but demonisation of people who do not follow either faith, yet you seem to not care in the slightest bit about this.
Condemning every non believer and sinner to eternal hellfire seems to be the single most demonic thing about religion to me.
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