Just what IS it about Islam that makes them violent?

What exactly did the Buddhist victims in this case have anything to do with the Facebook post? The Koran burning thing was clearly just used as a scapegoat to justify burning down the monasteries and robbing the Buddhists, there's absolutely no logical connection between the two.
 
AtreuS said:
I have muslim friends so im far from a muslim "basher" thank you. I simply do not understand why the outrage is so extreme when it happens when compared to other religions? its a perfectly normal question.

I myself have always been religion free but i respect anyone's right to believe what they wish as long as it doesnt hurt anyone else. In the case above they robbed and attacked innocent people, whom it appears that theyre only "crime" was to be non muslim and hence victimised.
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Remember in the past though with the crusades and before as well as after then, non Muslims did spill blood in the name of God rather than Allah.

So it is not solely an Islam problem - though we have moved on and (un)fortunately we have collectively lost our faiths, whilst for them it is still an ingrained part of their cultural identity and society.
 
Surely when you look at the occurences of these "barbarian mobs" then haven't they occurred amongst (we are to assume?) uneducated, unemployed youth (perhaps slightly older too) who don't really have a sense of direction? Who typically lead non-religious lives until the point where their religion has been mocked? I asked a couple of people that I know around those areas of the world (i.e. bangladesh, libya, tunisia .etc) and that certainly seems to be what they're telling me, what do you guys think? Isn't it a reoccurring pattern?
 
Freefaller said:
I still think it's limited to a few Muslims comparatively. However, in that culture, the religion is embedded deeply into their culture and "part of who they are", and as such things that are seemingly "anti" Islam, for some reason, are also seen as a reproach on their culture/identity.

We take exception to people mocking the Brits, or aspects of our culture - however whilst we don't react in quite the same way, for them that is how they feel they need to react.

I'm not condoning the actions - I think it's disgraceful - however, unfortunately a lot of these ill-educated people use religion as their martyr for which they justify their retribution from, rather than identifying other aspects of their cultural imbalances.
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This pretty much.

Nothing really else to add.
 
Freefaller said:
Remember in the past though with the crusades and before as well as after then, non Muslims did spill blood in the name of God rather than Allah.

So it is not solely an Islam problem - though we have moved on and (un)fortunately we have collectively lost our faiths, whilst for them it is still an ingrained part of their cultural identity and society.
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Oh i fully agree. Remember though the world is now supposed to be more civilised, surely that mentality is long gone in civlised societies.
 
cu3ed said:
Just curious, but how many Muslims where out on the streets in the Uk saying "not in my name" or something along those lines?
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There were many instances from people I knew that had produced graphical work (i.e. flyers, posters) and some also protested against the violence that was occurring around the muslim world. From the ones I know, they generally just want to lead peaceful lives, many (thankfully) are just happy with having the opportunity to reside in the UK.
 
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I personally doubt the fact they were Muslim had anything to do with this. They were a bunch of crooks/thugs that wanted to rob this town/group of people, either owing to some form of hatred, disagreement, or something altogether more complicated.

However, it's a sensationalist headline, and using a burning Qu'ran is a good way of mitigating or justifying at least to the thug leaders that what they did was "right".

I wish people would stop using religion as an excuse to get offended - it's pointless and just doesn't help their "cause". :/
 
People like to excuse their behaviour through many different reasons, this seems to be the easiest way for them. It's childish.

How do you deal with such large scale dogma? They're set in their ways and you'd have to be a complete head case to think they have the right to be so aggressive and abhorrently behaved. This goes for anyone, not just those in the topic of the discussion. The problem is the only way to sort it out is to remove those ideals through time and hoping each generation learns their mistakes, that's going to take way too much time and heartache.

They'd easily use any other excuse too.
 
AtreuS said:
Oh i fully agree. Remember though the world is now supposed to be more civilised, surely that mentality is long gone in civlised societies.
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Absolutely - I agree entirely. :)

Unfortunately, as we can see... the world has not evolved or matured at the same rate - and it's easy to see that there is still a lot of tension between cultures and a lack of compassion/understanding between others.

We have a long way to go. The world wars were not that long ago in terms of our existence... so we're still a fledgling species really - we have a lot to learn.
 
KoubaDZ said:
There were many instances from people I knew that had produced graphical work (i.e. flyers, posters) and some also protested against the violence that was occurring around the muslim world. From the ones I know, they generally just want to lead peaceful lives, many (thankfully) are just happy with having the opportunity to reside in the UK.
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It just erks me when Muslims come back with " yea but most of us are happy as we are etc", yet if theirs that many of those that want to live peacefully, why don't they do something about the 2% that cause them so much hate around the world. We arnt talking about people with banners with slogans on them, we are talking about groups who go out, saying their "faith" has been disgraced, and go to KILL someone for it.
These are people that live within communities etc, yet, when the time comes, a wall of silence if handed to them.
 
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It just erks me when Muslims come back with " yea but most of us are happy as we are etc", yet if theirs that many of those that want to live peacefully, why don't they do something about the 2% that cause them so much hate around the world. We arnt talking about people with banners with slogans on them, we are talking about groups who go out, saying their "faith" has been disgraced, and go to KILL someone for it.
These are people that live within communities etc, yet, when the time comes, a wall of silence if handed to them.
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They probably struggle with the numbers, its almost like a bandwagon, think about it, it might start with a young guy going to his friends saying "hey guys, they've insulted our prophet, we have nothing better to do so lets go trash the embassy", -insert snowball effect- and you have an almost uncontrollable number of aggressive, uncivilised people. Within any society, you get some who are peaceful followers, and then you get the percentage that is a little bit corrupt and aren't really occupied with anything, be it a job or education. You could kind of make up many reasons as to why such a huge number becomes hard to control, nevermind suppress.
 
KoubaDZ said:
They probably struggle with the numbers, its almost like a bandwagon, think about it, it might start with a young guy going to his friends saying "hey guys, they've insulted our prophet, we have nothing better to do so lets go trash the embassy", -insert snowball effect- and you have an almost uncontrollable number of aggressive, uncivilised people. Within any society, you get some who are peaceful followers, and then you get the percentage that is a little bit corrupt and aren't really occupied with anything, be it a job or education. You could kind of make up many reasons as to why such a huge number becomes hard to control, nevermind suppress.
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Ahh, yes, the Daily Mail effect lol.
 
Kimi said:
This day an age ai dont know why we cant all get along, a bit like Earth on Star Trek
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LOL. Dont remember seeing a Muslim on Star Trek.. Hummmm....

I will also say that the article reminded me of what happened over here just over a year or so ago.. An incident that was sparked by a police shooting turned into riots (On an even larger scale than this) looting, violence and theft against anyone. So its not just Muslims... Maybe just the uneducated that need a outlet for their anger as thats probably all they have.
 
Ignorance and a lack of education is whats making these muslims lash out imo. Coupled with the fact that you have various imams/mullahs who are preaching their brand of hatred, it doesnt take a genius to figure out why these 'muslims' are reacting the way they are when islam is criticised.

Personally couldnt care less, let them criticise/bash islam all they like. Going out and committing acts of violence towards others isnt really going to help matters much. But to these idiots within my religion, trying to explain that to them is like preaching to a brick wall:p.
 
Still struggling to get my head around how an intelligent human being could even begin to entertain the idea of the flying spaghetti monster considering the evidence laid before us all, let alone act in any way upon it.

To act violently towards others in the name of said flying spaghetti monster in this day and age - mind = blown.
 
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