Korean Grand Prix 2012, Yeongam - Race 16/20

sunama said:
This is my way of thinking.
Of course, there are different interpretations. This is a racing accident, but if I were to apportion blame, it would be on Kimi, not Alonso.

Also consider that when the race starts, the guy in front is expected to be jostling for position, at the first corner. This is normal. It is the driver behind who must be careful not to ram the car in front.

Once the race is on its way, the driver behind should not expect the driver in front to behave erratically.
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Yeah that's pretty much how I saw it, Kimi went into a gap that was already closed off, Alonso moved in the space he thought was empty as what idiot would drive there, those mirrors aren't going to see much, Kimi was just in the wrong place and it happened.

Racing incident as neither were out of control and neither were deliberately causing an accident.

Kimi could have gone to the right instead of the left (as would have been sensible given the shape of the corner) and Alonso could have made the same move to the right and both looked even sillier. Ultimately not one of the incidences of the season that needs much debating.
 
Skeeter said:
The penalty seems to be for the size of the accident you caused though, rather than the mistake that caused it.

Maldonado has to be on a short leash now though after Grosjeans race ban.
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Well I understood the Spa one, as he didnt seem to appreciate the potential for causing a massive pile up, just by pressing one car (ie the ripple effect)

Fine, make a mistake and force someone wide - but when they have nowhere to go like LH did at the time, the consequences and therefore the punishment HAVE to be larger

Remember everyone effected at Spa were lucky they werent hurt, and that was definitely luck - imagine the lotus just being a little lower going over the Ferrari, where would the sport be now (god forbid, but THAT was truelly luck)?

Im only guessing of course, but imo the ripple down the grid would have been far worse had LH actually gone wide onto the thin strip of grass on the inside from the instant deceleration etc etc - Maybe Grosjean and Alonso would have completed the lap but the chaos behind.....
 
Skeeter said:
I can't remember who it was (think it was a Force India) but there was a rather minor collision somewhen earlier this year where the FI driver hit another car. The car that was hit didn't really suffer, but the FI lost his front wing and dropped right back getting back to the pits and lost time getting a new nose. But then the stewards gave them a drive through too. Seems a bit harsh to me.

But then should you be penalized based on the affects of your incident, rather than the incident itself? Grosjeans ban after Spa seemed to not actually be for 'causing an incident' but rather for taking out Alonso and Hamilton. Causing a collision is causing a collision, what happens after that is luck. Its a difficult one to call, and even more difficult to be consistent.
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If you hit someone on a straight with no one infront of the two cars and no one close behind, then the chance of harming other cars is almost non existant. When you smash a car while still at full speed, with two dozen cars in close proximity, on a side of a track that will smash into those taking a corner on that side there was maybe a 0.32846% chance that the collision wouldn't both take out other drivers AND because of the direction and impact would be a seriously dangerous collision, you can't judge them both the same.

If Grosjean didn't know that a crash there would have worse consequences than a crash alone with another car with on one else around, he's plain stupid.

There is luck, Alonso got really very lucky the car gripped at the right second and started moving backwards away from the racing line. Grosjean didn't "get unlucky" to smash into Alonso and Hamilton, he got lucky that Alonso didn't get whacked in the face.


Also lol at people still saying its kimi's fault for being in a gap that didn't exist.... some people are so painfully blinkered its hilarious. If the gap didn't exist, then how was he able to be in it, if he's in it, then what Alonso SHOULD have done is realise there was someone there and Alonso would have to be more careful, maybe slow down, maybe take the corner on a bad line, maybe leave room for Kimi to go around the outside.

This is driving, putting other drivers under pressure is WHAT ITS ABOUT. Being there and giving Alonso less room meant Alonso had less options and Kimi had more. Simple as, there was a car width, Kimi was in it, he wasn't in it for a millisecond, he was there for a while, Alonso didn't have to turn into him, Kimi caused no contact, blaming Kimi is so painfully retarded I don't even have words to describe the ridiculousness of it. Yeah, it was Hamilton's fault, he didn't have to be there, poor Grosjean.
 
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