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*** Kupa UltraNote Powerful Windows 8 Tablet ***
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Caporegime
I don't really consider ultrabooks worth the price either.
They're wanting near 800-850 for a tablet.
It's an i3 with turbo boost (For whatever reason, in the mobile market that constitutes i5, probably what Surface Pro has I imagine)
I want a tablet with a dock, but I'm not prepared to pay the asking prices.
The W510 is about 500 64GB with 4GB RAM, the only real spec difference is CPU/GPU combo and RAM, I don't think that constitutes 300-350 extra, so there's quite easily some room to get a decently priced Intel I series Windows 8 X64 tablet.
Especially given you can get i5's in 500 quid laptops etc, I can't imagine that the actual manufacturing cost is anymore than the i3's which come in at 400, as ultimately it's just them with turboboost.
Asus also have an Atom based tablet coming out in the Asus Vivo series ; http://hexus.net/mobile/news/tablets/50889-the-asus-vivotab-me400-399-windows-8-tablet/
Makes their RT offering seem ridiculous, which I was VERY confused about. Asus's X86 offerings for Windows 8 have been quite good in my opinion having VERY high praise for their Vivobook.
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There's a huge performance and price difference between atom and I series.
Atom absolutely sucks at gfx, I mean it's like 5 times worse than even a middle range arm combo. It's CPU power only marginally beats top end arm.
I would rather an arm than atom(albeit the as us? With the snap dragon), now we've seen the performance and now most apps are covered in the App Store.
I series are in a totally different league in performance both CPU and gfx.
I series will always be expensive, it's atom and arm taht need to lower in price, or at least have a bigger range, to cover multiple price points. Most atoms are the worst for price vs performance.
Laptops use different CPUs, aren't as energy efficient etc. there's a big difference between desktop/laptops and ultra books/tablets. Due to size, heat and energy consumption.
Atom absolutely sucks at gfx, I mean it's like 5 times worse than even a middle range arm combo. It's CPU power only marginally beats top end arm.
I would rather an arm than atom(albeit the as us? With the snap dragon), now we've seen the performance and now most apps are covered in the App Store.
I series are in a totally different league in performance both CPU and gfx.
I series will always be expensive, it's atom and arm taht need to lower in price, or at least have a bigger range, to cover multiple price points. Most atoms are the worst for price vs performance.
Laptops use different CPUs, aren't as energy efficient etc. there's a big difference between desktop/laptops and ultra books/tablets. Due to size, heat and energy consumption.
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Caporegime
The performance difference is irrelevant if the pricing difference is ridiculous, which it currently is.
Although you're over exaggerating how poor clovertrails IGP is, I know it's not great, but it's not 5x worse than a mid range solution.
The 400 quid Asus Windows 8 X86 clovertrail tablet, and then they're wanting like an extra 400-450 for 4GB more RAM, and an i3 series CPU? That's a pricing problem.
But I series ISN'T that expensive, I don't know why you're not understanding this, they're in devices at much lower price points, it's only Ultra books and Tablets that seem to have them at a ridiculous price point.
Also, you're wrong about the CPU point and laptops, as I know for a fact my Vivobook has one of them Ultra low power Ivy CPU's which can be used in a tablet, obviously not all laptops/netbooks etc use a low power CPU, but it's irrelevant, as I've shown these low powered I series CPU's can and are put in much lower priced devices.
Also, in the ultra low powered CPU's, the IGP isn't as good as the proper HD4000 is, so the IGP is still fairly poor.
http://ark.intel.com/products/65697/Intel-Core-i3-3217U-Processor-3M-Cache-1_80-GHz
That's in a 450 quid touch screen Windows 8 netbook.
Although you're over exaggerating how poor clovertrails IGP is, I know it's not great, but it's not 5x worse than a mid range solution.
The 400 quid Asus Windows 8 X86 clovertrail tablet, and then they're wanting like an extra 400-450 for 4GB more RAM, and an i3 series CPU? That's a pricing problem.
But I series ISN'T that expensive, I don't know why you're not understanding this, they're in devices at much lower price points, it's only Ultra books and Tablets that seem to have them at a ridiculous price point.
Also, you're wrong about the CPU point and laptops, as I know for a fact my Vivobook has one of them Ultra low power Ivy CPU's which can be used in a tablet, obviously not all laptops/netbooks etc use a low power CPU, but it's irrelevant, as I've shown these low powered I series CPU's can and are put in much lower priced devices.
Also, in the ultra low powered CPU's, the IGP isn't as good as the proper HD4000 is, so the IGP is still fairly poor.
http://ark.intel.com/products/65697/Intel-Core-i3-3217U-Processor-3M-Cache-1_80-GHz
That's in a 450 quid touch screen Windows 8 netbook.
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Caporegime
Real world testing now please? We don't compare 680's and 7970's by Gflops.
EDIT : Also your figures according to Anandtech are BS ; http://www.anandtech.com/show/6522/the-clover-trail-atom-z2760-review-acers-w510-tested/5
Which puts Tegra 3 at about 1.8/1.7 times faster?
Not 5.
Also 12/4 is 3, not 5.
So yes, exaggerating.
It's still poor, I'm not going to defend it.
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It's irrelevant who's right.
Joe Average doesn't care, and will buy the cheaper tablet.
Joe Average doesn't care, and will buy the cheaper tablet.
How is it BS?
Tegra 3 at 333mhz is 12.6Gflops and the top arms as you have just showed are over 70. With clovertail at 4 or more precisely 4.8.
So how is it rubbish?
Benchmarks are near impossible, as they are different operating systems.
Tegra 3 might only be 3, but tegra 3 can't be described as a mid level arm these days, it is the very bottom end, the absolute minimum you see in any device. Wich is why I was shocked at surface.
Soldato
Spec seems nice but the price seems a bit much for something that looks like it was designed for the pound shop.
Soldato
Things has some really nice specs but its just too ugly. I understand the whole function over form but there is some limits, I will have to be looking at the devices all the time and its just 
, 8GB of ram is awesome to use a dev machine too, most of the mac users at work are using Airs now but us windows guys get stuck with huge has HP elitebooks that weight so much.
, 8GB of ram is awesome to use a dev machine too, most of the mac users at work are using Airs now but us windows guys get stuck with huge has HP elitebooks that weight so much.