LG 42-inch OLED

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Its the type of Panel used. LG started moving panels to a WBE technology, deuterium based on some models. If I recall, last year C1 77" up defo got them. 65" and 55" were a mixed bag some got it and some did not. Possible in longer run may be better to have a WBE panel. Hard to tell what impact will be. On the 42" I think LG is mitigating issues with the overall less brightness and more compensation cycles. In use I think most users will tone down brightness further anyways



Nice and congrats. Hope all good on whatever is going on. Will be good to see what other settings users dial in

Sometimes I wonder what LG is trying to do with such different panels on same models. Reading the comments section on YT from Vincent his video have gathered me more info on this.
So pretty much disappointing. Either take or return it without opening the box. But then again, my LG A7V is about 3.5 years old and still no burn-in or changes in picture. It's one of the last FHD OLED.

I think it's safe to say LG will simply use the old tech from last year in current year models, that's how they do business.

 

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Equally baffling, so WBE is Evo panel and WBC is the older panels..... yet the LG C2 48" comes with the newer Evo WBE panels.... and yet LG tune all panels so they look the same anyhow.

VT needs to clarify this WBE and WBC or is it Evo or not business.

Exactly. What the hell is this bullcrap practices! This smells false advertising. Currently not sure if I should swap the 42C2 for 48C1 or not. We have 30 days to try.

 

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At this moment I'm typing on my phone so a bit limited, I'll reply on others their replies later when i'm on my pc.

My 42C2 will be delivered today, schedule is planned between 16:45-17:45. So here is the thing, should I try it for 30 days or exchange it right away for 48C1? What about the 48C2? WBC too? What LG is doing is really ****** business tactics but what do we expect when there is no competition...

 

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So yesterday I've got the 42C2 and it's a wonderful screen! The pixels are so sharp and crisp, really loving the high ppi!
Picture is superb too! No need to change settings which I'm very surprised about that. I had to change many settings on my LG A7V as the out of the box really sucked. I use Expert1 mode on my A7.
On 42C2, no need. And the most surprising, in case you have a 1440p GPU like the GTX1080Ti, you can use Standard preset mode on 1440p and the inputlag is surprisingly very low! So you don't have to use Game Mode Optimizer. Standard preset looks better than Game Mode. To get an idea how very responsive: I use 1440p60. So probably even faster on 1440p120. In case you go 4K60, then yes, inputlag is noticeable but not that bad in driving games or storymode games. Netflix looks damn beautiful too! I'm just loving this screen!

However, there is one thing that's very unfortunate. It causes nauseous. Is it because of big screen or I'm sensitive? I'll have to check again later if it's really me being sensitive or not.

 

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Hmm, thanks, so it's the motions that causes the nauseous? Will check them out. Though I have switched off all motion enchantments but will try the settings.
The weird thing, causeous occurs when gaming. But maybe I'll need to take my time to see when and how.

And yes, the Standard preset looks the best. I'm surprised LG finally calibrated which removes the need to change settings.

 

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Yeah, I come from LED monitor, BenQ GW2280 to be very specific. BenQ monitors are usually known for great eye care. Does that explain why aside other factors?

@SilverRST it is most likely due to motion in your peripheral vision which means you are sitting too close to it.
It’s the same effect that people are getting with VR headsets.

Yeah, I turned off TruMotion, had no idea it was set on 'Natural'. The nauseous no more occurs but headache does. Well, not really headache, more like fatiguing headache without pain.
I've read a lot about the issues when going VR.

Thank you all for the very informative replies. I thought it was me but apparently I'm not alone.

So far impressions:
ABL is indeed noticeable but not bad at all. You won't even notice it in games and movies. Only when there is full screen like grey banding test.
The HUD in The Crew 2 looks like its brightness has been toned but this doesn't affect the gameplay at all so you can just enjoy the landscapes. Same with GTA.
When gaming at 1440p, you don't need Game Optimizer, you can just use Standard mode as the inputlag is very low.
Series and movies in Netflix looks astounding too. This all makes the 42C2 great for gaming and movies without a doubt.

 

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To disable the red standby light, go to Settings - System and you should see the settings for standby ligh. You can disable it.

 

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Cheers Silver, posted it above also I disabled the home auto launch settings one also to speed up boot time

You're welcome. And silly me, totally forgot the long press.

It's not possible to disable ABL using IR? The picture is truly magnificent! I still cannot believe you can just use Standard mode when gaming at 1440p.

 

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So I could enjoy the 42C2 for a week before I started to love it. Picture is near perfect and very very small red tint right upper so hardly noticeable.
42" OLED seems to be most perfect size and this is coming from a guy who's been used to small screens for about 2 decades, 15" and 22". You really get sucked into the games! Was playing the GTAV, flying the Lazer jet and it felt like you really were in the game itself, so unreal! And The Crew 2 when riding the MX bikes and jumping, you get the feeling you're really riding and that moment when you're about the to land back on the wheels...! So immersive! However, unfortunately with deepest regrets, I had to return it because it's not flicker-free and I'm sensitive to that :'( That explains the fatiguing headache, no pain, only fatigue and eye strains. I hate myself... I can just go from LED to OLED with no problems, the true issue I have is the flicker-free. If I wasn't sensitive to that ****, I would have kept the 42C2.

@R3X I knew some settings had to do with the black details. I mean, on my VA mnitor which I currently use shows all the details in dark scenes whereas those details were no present when I still had the 42C2. Crushed blacks?

 

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Yes someone did get back to me it is crushed blacks issue that I have as you say, he did attempt to advise me to try some settings to fix it (white balance points) but I could not find those exact settings.

I will have to keep digging and asking till I get some concrete answers, its quite possible my 42" C2 is faulty, I can't imagine black scenes would be that bad and pitch black but they are on my screen and maybe upping the black level a bit is not a good fix but no one else has confirmed it yet. Got 3 more weeks to figure it out at least.

Its a shame it was the flicker that was causing your headache, but sadly it does something effect some users they really do need to address these issues.

Yeah, it immediatly caught my attention why a lot of details were missing when I still had the 42C2. I could bump up some settings but they usually do not do good like the grey will increase.
I mean, have you ever bumped up the brightness level on tv's before and then you saw the picture gets uglier? Like that.

And who have to address these issues? The users themself or manufacturers?

 

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Anyone ever gotten a nausea/motion sickness feeling when you’ve switched to an OLED as a monitor?

Had my 42” for a few days now using it for work, and get a noticeably nauseous feeling fairly quickly after I start using it. No headaches as such.

Got a new bigger desk on the way as I am definitely too close currently (60cm deep desk), so could very well be that since I’ve never had it with my CX living room TV which I’m much further away from.

But just concerned it could be something else.

Have colour temp on Warm 50, and lowered OLED brightness a decent bit. Also use dark mode for everything. Might try some extra blue light filtering while working too.

Also read up on bias lighting so looking at setting some white light strips up behind it too.

But just curious on everyone else’s experiences when they switched. Or maybe not OLED related at all, maybe to a bigger size screen, or stronger contrast screen, or something.

No, it's likely not because of OLED. Completely disable all the motion related settings like TruMotion, they are the cause of our issues. The first day when I had the 42C2, I literally got severly sick within half hour. I couldn't bear it anymore. Next day some users here, I think R3X, advised me to disable all of the motion nonsense and indeed, it worked. No more nausea. And it also helps to have the HDMI set to HDMI-PC which improves the colors and less 'biting' the eyes. Picture gets smoot which is easy on the eyes. Once you do that, nausea/motion sickness should be no longer an issue. However, if you still have fatiguing headache, the chance is there you might be sensitive to flicker like me.

And I also doubt it's because of the size. I've been using smaller screens for about 2 decades, 15" up to 22". Going from 22" all the way to 42" was really easy and I'm surprised about it. Love it!

Yeah that is my exact concern, getting greyish blacks obviously you lose out on those inky blacks.

I still have very good blacks but they are a tad grey now, maybe its an fault or fixable with tv calibration or better settings although they did say the LG was meant to be excellent out of the box, clearly not for some though.

This would be quite a pickle since there is nothing on the market remotely close to this LG 42 C2, maybe the Sony will be better.

I was concerned about that. I mean, I couldn't see crap in GTAV/Online when it's night in the game and some missions are stealth so I don't wanna miss the targets or shoot the gastank by accident in heist setups.
When watching Netflix, picture is excellent but...it is a bit of a problem because of the crushed blacks.

If Sony will be better and they finally improve the inputlag, I might get one. But it will HAVE TO BE worth the price! But I'm afraid about the aggressive ABL, that **** is really noticable.

 

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Anyone prone to motion sickness / cyber sickness using the panels, if so how you fairing? Brother visited over weekend and loved the 42", but prone to the cyber sickness at times. Did not get a long enough chance for him to use it, so interested to hear if anyone else easily susceptible may be getting on anything you changed etc. Think I saw mention of few settings being tweaked.

Completely disable all of the motion related settigs like TruMotion. That's high likely the culprit why we get motion sick.

I never understand the motion BS to be honest. I mean, movies and series in their original framerates, like the 23.937fps or something, feels way too unnaturel to me when using motion.
I disable all of them. Never have gotten the motion sickness since disabled.

 

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The question is why would anyone use any kind of motion processing while using it as a monitor when it adds massive amount of input lag.
Just use PC mode with game optimised picture and tweak colours to be more natural.

Regarding the motion processing while using it as a monitor, yeah, it boggles my mind.

And regarding the input lag, I have a 1080Ti so it's a 1440p GPU and when I still had the 42C2, I'm surprised I can just use the Standard mode instead of Game mode because the input lag is very low.
There is no reason to use the Game mode as that mode has kinda crappy colors and contrast. Standard mode is the best when gaming 1440p. I tried 2160p60 and yeah, input lag is a bit high
But I don't mind 1440p at all and I've got no reason to get the 3080Ti or something.

 

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Hi all,

I'm looking to for a new monitor and from reading this thread the 42 C2 really sounds like its for me but I would like to know from you all who have it and used it how you all find it?

My main uses will using it as a computer monitor (gaming) and working from home, spreadsheets outlook etc. Love the idea of all the screen real estate.

So, how do you find the 42 C2 for work and overall?

If I wasn't sensitive to flicker, I definitely would have kept the 42C2. It's the greatest 42" OLED monitor/tv I've ever had so far and this is coming from a guy who's been using a 22" VA monitor for the past 4-5 years. I think 42" is the best size for big immersive gaming, you really feel you're IN the game/movie! Been flying in a jet in GTAV and seeing all the landscape was kinda unreal. Never happened to me this before.

Ta thanks both, will offer these as solutions if he does go for the TV. He will be using it for 90% work mostly so expect motion should not be an issue. For gaming he is mostly a casual but sounds like above are some solutions in the even he does go for it and encounters any motion issues.

Motion should be completely disabled, period. The first evening I could try it was unreal. I had sever nausea and headache and had many times I almost had to puke, not kidding. I couldn't eat and drink just after 30 minutes of use!!! Fortunately I recovered pretty much the next day, tried what R3X told me and am sooo glad it was the motion crap so there is still hope for me. Hopefully it will be all good for both of you! I'm wondering how such thing can make a human feel sick.

I'm a casual gamer too, I usually play GTA the most, GTAV/Online. And The Crew 2 too.

 

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The guys over on AVS are levels above with this technical stuff, I catched 2 post that might be worth a read for you regarding flicker, VRR might be useful
in future stuff

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/2022-lg-c2-g2-owners-thread-no-price-talk.3236262/post-61581934

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/2022-lg-c2-g2-owners-thread-no-price-talk.3236262/post-61583354

You're probably mistaken, it's not the VRR flicker I'm talking about. It's the PWM dimming. My current monitor uses DC dimming.
For example, open yt app and use the grey testing and use your smartphone camera. You'll see and understand what I mean.

 

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Yeah I've always had motion sickness in cars, and had it badly in VR for a few weeks before it subsided, so I assume I'm just sensitive to it.

With the screen being so big and close currently, it's pretty similar to being in VR with the amount of field of view of my eyes it's covering, so not surprised to get similar feeling (although to a lesser extent).

Have never had an issue with my CX, so in theory shouldn't be an inherent OLED issue.

It's indeed not inherent to OLED if you don't suffer from nausea with your CX. This nausea/cyber sickness highly likely is because of TruMotion. Disable it and you no longer should have nausea.
In fact, I have my A7V more about 3.5 years or more and never suffered nausea. I did notice some idiotic motion when watching 23fps movies/series being rendered like 100fps or something. I immediatly disabled it after a few minutes of setting the tv up. I can not tolerate that ****. I like to keep framerates original. High framerates movies/series feels so unnaturel and stupid to me.

The next day when I disabled TruMotion on my 42C2, I longer suffer from nausea. I sat about 60cm too.

And oh, years ago I had a wall lamp that flickered. You can't see the flickering when you look straight to it but I suffered from headache. Something with the dimming frequencies when the lamp is dimmed at lower brightness.

 

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Gave it a test with YT tried 2 grey scale videos test, both of them ran from 0, 10, 20 all the way to 100% grey scale slides but could not see any flicker on my smart phone camera, is there a specific grey video test?

Discard my other reply, it was a bad example. It seems it depends on smartphone camera or any other camera.

This one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASmyW360usc

I'm in the team 'PWM affected people'. Though I don't have migraine.

 

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Nah I've had TruMotion disabled since the moment I set the TV up, and am using Game Optimiser mode with latency at Boost, and have it set to PC in the Home dashboard.

Pretty sure there isn't a TV setting in particular that I have set to blame (other than playing with brightness/contrast).

Hmm, then I guess there are some (rare) cases where people can be extra sensitive. Talking about bad luck.

 

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Great video, almost feels like the issues ignored since only the few notice it which should not be the case.

I wonder if the QD-OLEDs solve this issue.

I know, right? Back in 2019 I tried two OLED monitors and the last one, the headache started literally within 15 minutes. Those who are sensitive to that what's in the video, the issues are serious.
I used the Huawei Mate 20X camera and the result is shocking.

I doubt QD-OLEDs solve this issue. I hope it will but it would be great if there will be 16:9 too.

But, I'm actually very happy with my current VA monitor. Near perfect screen uniformity, lovely colors and great contrast. Of course not OLED-level but much better than IPS.

 

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Some early reports are coming in on the Sony 42", appears Sony processing and cpu is been upped a lot for 2022 and the 42" was noticeable sharper and detailed then the aj90 flagship from last year, they do say they are using an thermal control system and an "high luminance panel"
maybe that means the WBE panel who knows.

I would have liked to go with the Sony but I know its going to come with that price tag also.

I would have liked to go with the Sony but feww reasons why I rather not:

-the absurd prices indeed. According the rumors, it's gonna be about €2199 or so. Yeah **** that
-high input lag
-aggressive ABL
-very late on the firmware updates and features

ABL is unfortunately very noticable in certain games. I wish there would be an option to disable it for certain content/games. My A7 from 2017 or 2018 high likely doesn't have ABL and so far no sigh on burn-ins.

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Sony being Sony...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdrfUpoMZok