Linda Nogrove ''may have been killed by friendly fire''

MrLOL said:
After the iranian embassy siege Maggie Thather visited the SAS at hereford to thank them for their efforts.

They gave her a demonstration of their training in the killing house. They placed her on a chair in a darkenned room with 2 targets either side of her. The SAS burst in, and just as they would in normal training, used live rounds and took the targets out.

THey told her they werent going to use live ammo, but they did :D

Its training like that, that makes the SAS the best in the world. Who else would be trusted to fire live rounds at the Prime Minister ?
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An interesting thing about that is the SAS men said she didn't even flinch when they did it, and she told her aide off for being scared and shaking as he was sat there with her :p

They've also done it with Charles and Diana.
 
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stockhausen said:
It certainly appears to be the case that the locals are convinced that Linda Norgrove would have been released unharmed within days had the US cavalry not chosen to charge in on helicopters (LINK).

Unfortunately, that would almost certainly have been associated with her captors disappearing.

Perhaps the Americans were more concerned with killing unfriendly Afghans than ensuring the safe release of one interfering civilian :confused:
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what a load of bull, that's a serious amount of propaganda rubbish right there, oh now things how gone **** up lets all make out that she would have been safe if they hadn't attempted a rescue mission.

that story has so many holes in it its unbelievable, yet average joe public will probably believe it. (which includes you it seems - that seems to be forgetting the bravery of the soldiers in trying to get this women out alive)
if they were so close why didn't they sort it out earlier? why did they conveniently only arrive when the military had begun fighting to get her out? its pretty clear that the negotiations were going no-where at all.

but yeh lets believe some afghan officials over our own forces, its not as if they had any involvement whatsoever in her kidnapping in the first place hey. :rolleyes:
 
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When Maggie watched the replay of the siege with the SAS apparently she was standing in the way of the hastily set up tv.

A Black clad SAS trooper shouted "you in the front get your arse out of the way" - Quality
 
iamtheoneneo said:
... that story has so many holes in it its unbelievable ...
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Go on then, let's hear about the holes in this story. Since there are so many, it should be quite easy to disprove what the Afghan negotiators say.

iamtheoneneo said:
... but yeh lets believe some afghan officials over our own forces ...
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It does appear that in this case, "our forces" initially put about a clearly false account. After Iraq, I certainly wouldn't place much more faith in the integrity of Western officials than of Afghan officials.

iamtheoneneo said:
... its not as if they had any involvement whatsoever in her kidnapping in the first place hey ...
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And you know that the Afghan negotiators were involved in her kidnapping how :confused:
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/13/linda-norgrove-us-commando-disciplinary

Some more details have surfaced about the raid. Firstly it seems that neither a Delta team or SAS sabre team were close enough to assist and the Seal team were operational in the region, so the choice of team would have been limited.

It also appears that Norgrove broke away from her captors in the melee and entered the compound to lie in a foetal position to avoid injury.

A Seal positioned on the roof of one of the huts apparently threw a fragmenting grenade into the compound not knowing that Norgrove was no longer in one of the huts, resulting in the injuries and subsequent death of Norgrove.

The Navy Seal is reportedly going to receive disciplinary action for not admitting the use of the grenade immediately.

I would have to say, that if the article is factual, then the use of a fragmenting grenade at the point it was used was reckless, I expect the Seal realised this hence not coming forward immediately.

But, like the SAS led rescue of Stephen Farrell, it shows that split second decisions are necessary and that operations such as this are high risk and unpredictable and can invariably lead to injury and death, especially when the hostage is not where the intel has stated or is mobile as in the case of Farrell's rescue.

It is difficult to judge whether the operation was inherent flawed in it's planning or it was merely a tragic set of circumstances out of anyone's control. I would suspect the later. I am sure that the issue of Frag grenades will be reviewed, but I doubt that the Seal will face direct charges relating to Norgroves death.


Let's not forget either, those ultimately responsible for her death are the Taliban group who kidnapped her and not the Seal team who attempted to rescue her, risking their own lives in the process.
 
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If there was a cover up attempted then it was on the individual SEAL. This only came to light when an officer conducting an after action review spotted the SEAL throwing the grenade on another SEAL's helmet camera footage, and immedeatly flagged it to his superiors. He could have buried it, and so could they just as easily, but didn't. Surely that counts for something?

The issue with the suicide vest came about from one of Norgrove's captors corpses. Apparently he'd been pretty much blown in half, injuries way beyond anything a fragmentation grenade could do. (excepting that he lay on it as it went it off)
 
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