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London Climate Protests

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by crinkleshoes, Apr 17, 2019.

  1. Nasher

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    Fusion is still being worked on. Governments reckon 10 years or so, but actual physicists think more like 30-50 before its ready.
     
  2. redeye

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    What I should have said is that Austria / Switzerland charge an awful lot more for Germany to buy it, than Germany sells it to them at. So it costs Germany a ton of money to buy back at peak times.
    So you're producing extremely green electricity, making a massive loss on it when in excess, burning tons of coal whilst saying it's terrible for the environment because you don't like Nuclear.

    The green lobby here wants neither coal or Nuclear. But has no answer how to replace it.

    Add it all up, it's nuts. In isolation, not.
     
  3. D.P.

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    Germany are moving to a high renewable capacity. superficially it is odd that they use so much coal power,. but they dont want to kill the coal mining industry instantly like Thatcher. They are slowly phasing out their coal. Their abrupt stop of nuclear wasn't smart but medium term it won't matter.
     
  4. 4K8KW10

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    "ExxonMobil is in court for lying to their investors about the impact of climate change on their business. This is a first step towards making fossil fuel companies pay for the damage they've done to our communities and climate."

     
  5. Nasher

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    Ironically oil companies are currently pumping lots of money in to renewables.
     
  6. Lord-Jaffa

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    7 Nuclear plants provide 25% of the UKs power 24 hours a day, renewables just cant compete with that level of efficiency, you're forgetting how much raw materials are required for solar/wind (especially if you're talking about battery storage to replace the base load at night) and how unreliable they are considering the weather conditions here (wind turbines are quite often locked due to weather conditions). They have their place sure, but they just can't replace the reliability of Nuclear in the long term. Strip mining the planet for materials for "renewable" energy sources is one of the biggest fallacys of our time, there is nothing renewable about that.
     
  7. Mercenary Keyboard Warrior

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    Indeed they see and know the writing is on the wall

    Most of them call themselves energy companies now
     
  8. 4K8KW10

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  9. 4K8KW10

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    Two people die as Venice floods at highest level in 50 years
    ‘This is result of climate change,’ says Venice mayor, who declares state of emergency
    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...re-as-venice-flooded-highest-tide-in-50-years

    Venice floods: Italy to declare state of emergency over damage
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50416306

    The global warming causes the sea level to rise, as it becomes ever more unsafe to live around places like Venice...

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
     
  10. MadMossy

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    Only 26 years worth of sea level data isn't exactly much to go on. Sure it looks like it's going up now but who's to say it doesn't already do that anyway over a period of hundreds or thousands of years.
     
  11. 4K8KW10

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    There is data starting from year 1800 or so. The data shows that during the preindustrial times, the sea level actually had fallen.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
     
  12. MadMossy

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    Even that is miniscule when you consider the planet is 4,500,000,000 years old.

    That's is no denying that we have had an impact on the climate though.
     
  13. StriderX

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    Even so, when you compound the minuscule, it adds up and the gradient will simply continue to increase into run away effects that would totally ruin any plan we might have on a gradual resolution of issues.

    I feel we're going to be chasing our own tail soon and should probably just focus on survival - assuring water and food supply primarily.
     
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  14. b0rn2sk8

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    Do you think climate change deniers will come on board if you change the narrative to its preventing immigration? The two things seem to come hand in hand these days.

    If there is one thing we do know, as the hottest parts of the planet become uninhabitable, there is going to be a lot more people heading north.
     
  15. RoboCod

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    Where? When?

    Aha!.. Conjecture.

    This is the issue with the whole topic, it becomes blurred with people who want to swing their political agenda handbag, as opposed to just addressing the actual issue (or lack thereof). Your post is a prime example of this in action.
     
  16. PlacidCasual

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    Sea level has been rising for 20 000 years some of the historical rates of rise have been huge. Comparing current rates to 10 000 years ago shows it has slowed. I’m really doubtful when climate change is labelled to weather.
     
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  17. Nasher

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    Its speeding it up apparently. Which could throw the cycle out of balance.

    But we havent fully "recovered" from the last ice age yet, the planet isnt in its natural warm period.
     
  18. 4K8KW10

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    Yup, the global warming deniers are like trolls or similar to what the flat Earth believers are.
    What we observe today is only the beginning and tip of the iceberg of much more serious and dangerous changes yet to come. The worst is yet to come.

    Do you remember when the scientists discovered that the freon gas destroys the ozone layer in the atmosphere?
    Well, dumping enormous quantities of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere such as carbon dioxide, methane and water vapour is as malicious.

    And the authorities are rotten with corruption. How can the airport authorities still use diesel service vehicles and kerosine airplanes? :confused:
    Authorities are playing with terra-forming technologies right here and right in front of our eyes.


    The more the atmosphere is heated, the more water vapour will be present. Thus, only accelerating the global warming.

    And some figures:
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    U.S dumps as much as 3 times more carbon dioxide than the second in the list Germany.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas
     
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  19. NVP

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    I came across this little factoid today:

    So basically let's not waste anymore money fighting it and just ride it out and adapt where need to :)
     
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  20. Lord-Jaffa

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    Do you have any figures that arent 15 years out of date? China currently releases over twice the amount of co2 than the second country on the list (US) as of 2018. The UK isnt even in the top 20. Or if you look at co2 released per capita then Saudi Arabia is the top polluter.

    I'd appreciate it if you let me know who to blame so I can pen a strongly worded email to the ambassador.