Looking for 24" - Samsung B2430H/P2450H or BenQ VW2420H/EW2420?

crackerbear · 22 Oct 2010 at 20:53

PCM2 said:
Actually from a colour accuracy point of view TN panels are terrible. The gamma curve of the monitor is viewing angle dependent - as I have said many times, this means a given colour will appear different depending on its position on the screen (even if you are sat dead infront of the monitor)

I presume this problem is going to be more pronounced with bigger monitors since you probably have to move you head a bit to view the whole screen? Either way, I think I've decided that ghosting or input lag would annoy me much more than some slightly worse colour reproduction, so I may plump for the Samsungs.

It doesn't sound as if the BenQs are quite up to the task, which is a shame as being the greedy sod that I am, I wanted the best of both worlds and still come in budget

PCM2 · 22 Oct 2010 at 21:05

The colour shifting isn't something you really notice in gaming. Yes it can mean you don't notice subtle variations in colours that you do on an IPS panel - but as you say for most gamers the first thing they would notice is blurring or sluggish movement on screen. I don't think anybody is really going to get the best of both world until things move on from LCD technology - I am still hoping at the back of my mind that the EW2420 offers a satisfying compromise. Who knows. Let's see if my curiosity drives my wallet out of my pocket.

crackerbear · 23 Oct 2010 at 10:18

This is from another forum, but I thought I'd quote it here. As far as I know, the BenQ BL2400PT uses the same *VA panel and LED backlighting as the VW2420H and EW2420. The anti-glare coating may be stronger (i.e. closer towards matte) on this panel than the other 2 models though.

My BL2400PT arrived today , manufactured in august'10. I live in Catalonia, Spain.

First impressions:
-Connected through DVI, disabled all senseeye & stuff, brightness to 0, contrast to 40.
-Apparently no dead/bad pixels.
-Coming from a 17" old TN sammy, now blacks are true blacks (it blends with the bezel, really).
-No noise (at least on 0 brightness) at all. And i have a taste for silent computing..
-Image quality is gorgeus, at least for me
-I don't have a colorimeter, and i'm not a color expert, but i can't see any tint on the images or anything wrong with colors.
-Vision angles... well, viewed from down is equally gorgeus as seeing it directly, but viewing it from above the image is... bland. I don't know if that's a drop in constrast (the colors are fine) or in gamma. Side angles are fine. All in all, perfect for my setup.
-The AG coating doesn't seem too agressive.
-Not a fast panel, as expected. Can't see any problem for work/movies, and the games that i've tested, but it fails lagom tests and you can feel it when scrolling some pages, so it must be slow.
-Sound is... well... just works, period. As expected.
-It feels very solid and heavy (but the box where it came is almost heavier )

The fact that he says it fails the lagom tests certainly isn't very encouraging for me, which is a shame because it seems to be very good everywhere else.

tropiciel · 25 Oct 2010 at 19:02

I've bought it ;d

Hello fellas

I just bought the EW2420. I expect it to come in the middle of the week.
If you have specific questions or test you would like me to run, just tell me.
I don't have any digital camera, so probably it will have to be enough to describe it in words.
(There is a chance that on coming weekend I will have a camera)

I paid 920pln (with shipping).

Lukas

crackerbear · 25 Oct 2010 at 19:13

tropiciel said:
Hello fellas

I just bought the EW2420. I expect it to come in the middle of the week.
If you have specific questions or test you would like me to run, just tell me.
I don't have any digital camera, so probably it will have to be enough to describe it in words.
(There is a chance that on coming weekend I will have a camera)

Hey Lukas,

I actually already posted to you on another forum asking the same thing but I may as well repeat what I posted.

Would you mind telling me how responsive it feels when you play fast games (i.e. first person shooters)? I'd like to know if you notice any ghosting or input lag.

There's also a few online tests you can try such as these:

PixPerAn test:
http://www.prad.de/download/pixperan_english.zip

Browser based tests:
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/testsoftware/schlieren2.html

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/response_time.php

I'd also like how good the image quality and colour reproduction is and finally how badly it exhibits a problem known as "black crush" or gamma shifting that's inherent on monitors with VA panels.

For the black crush thing, if you would take a moment and open this image on the monitor, view it straight on at full screen and see if you can see any colour changes usually around the sides or the centre being darker (with loss of detail) compared to the rest.

Thanks for any info!

crackerbear · 26 Oct 2010 at 10:07

Just a heads up for PCM2 or anyone else looking at the BenQ EW2420, someone from another forum has bought one and is doing a semi-professional review (he actually seems to know his stuff).

His first impressions:

Monitor received, calibrating now.

Out of the box (standard) brightness is 253cd/m2 and the black level is 0.09cd/m2. Motion is good with AMA on (needs to be activated in the menu), not as good as a 2ms TN but definately an improvement over the C-PVA panels.

Just by setting the brightness to 50 in the OSD I get 124cd/m2 and a black depth of 0.04cd/m2=3100:1 contrast.

Its half AG/half glossy. There are very minor relfections in the corners from the panel cornerns itself other wise this is like the perfect screen for people who dislike both full Glossy and AG coating.

It Passes all the Lagom Tests

It fails the Prad Red Box Ghosting test though just like the C-PVA panels.
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/testsoftware/schlieren2.html

Watched part of one movie, there was no ghosting, however the film was very dark and didnt feature any reds on grey backgrounds so we will see. The PixerPixAn Flag test is the same as a TN panel while the racer car has minor dark streaks, however it doesnt have a double image like a 5ms TN would.

Im finished calibration and have calibrated with both Eye One Match 3 and BasICColor. Contrast ratio is 3036:1 @ 121.44cdm/2

I will be making a new thread with the EW2420 Review in it, including PQ comparions to both the Acer G245H (TN) and Samusng F2380Mx (C-PVA), as well as a Youtube video Review.

That contrast ratio is impressive, slightly better than what BenQ themselves claimed. However if what he says is true, the responsiveness of the monitor doesn't seem to be quite good enough, for me at least.

PCM2 · 26 Oct 2010 at 10:38

I think the point he was making was that it has responsiveness that could be considered within normal range for a TN panel. I think he is trying to oversimplify things for his 'audience' or perhaps himself too - in reality I have used TN panels with 2ms response times that are less responsive in practice than some IPS models I've tested, rated at 6-8ms grey to grey. The thing is that with *VA panels the 'ghosting' or trailing manifests itself in a different way that is often picked up in tests (such as PixerPixAn) but not in 'real world' testing. That's why I don't use such tools in my reviews.

Anyway I'll be able to give you a much better idea shortly - I'll tell you the responsiveness of the F2380 manifested itself as a smearing smokey trail and it was disgusting and impossible to ignore. Likewise the general sluggishness of some 2ms TN panels I've used is also possible to ignore - the problem is it is so very subjective. Some people would be happy with this - you'll be pleased to know I'm quite sensitive to response time but I can also distinguish between it being something that could be a bit better vs. a major distraction.

crackerbear · 26 Oct 2010 at 10:50

Although I've not used a LCD monitor for gaming, I'm pretty sure I'll be quite sensitive to ghosting or lag issues since I tend to pick up on minor little things (some friends call me autistic

).

I'm particularly interested in your opinion of the BenQ monitor as you've used/tested the Samsungs first hand so should have a much better idea of how they compare to each other.

Whilst the PixerPixAn test may not be entirely representative of the real world (i.e. games) I think it's a fairly good "standard" that anyone can use and in particular, compare with other monitors.

PCM2 · 26 Oct 2010 at 11:16

I know I'm in a fortunate position with the range of different monitors I've tried. I do think it's a shame that the retail shops don't stock a proper variety of monitors so people can try them out for themselves. It would make things so much easier.

Legend · 26 Oct 2010 at 11:24

I'm very eager to know how the EW2420 stacks up against the Samsung B2430/P2450 as I have one of those on order but will return it if the Benq is said to be much better, so I wait with baited breath...

crackerbear · 26 Oct 2010 at 11:30

PCM2 said:
I know I'm in a fortunate position with the range of different monitors I've tried. I do think it's a shame that the retail shops don't stock a proper variety of monitors so people can try them out for themselves. It would make things so much easier.

I did phone around last week looking for high street stores that actually had any models in store, on display that I could physically see and test but I pretty much came out empty handed.

One store did sell the B2340H, but according to the assistant on the phone, I wasn't allowed to "run tests" on it, only look - which is a bit useless if I want to test for input lag. I guess he was afraid I might break it or something.

PCM2 · 26 Oct 2010 at 14:11

crackerbear said:
Just a heads up for PCM2 or anyone else looking at the BenQ EW2420, someone from another forum has bought one and is doing a semi-professional review (he actually seems to know his stuff).

Can you give a link to the review? I have just received the EW2420 and am testing it out (with all the protective wrapping around the bezel like somebody with OCD). I won't give too much away but it is certainly an excellent display as far as contrast and colour reproduction goes. I haven't tested it in gaming yet but the 'AMA' response time overdrive makes a massive difference even when you just move the mouse cursor around the screen.

Edit: HardForum right?

crackerbear · 26 Oct 2010 at 14:27

PCM2 said:
...with all the protective wrapping around the bezel like somebody with OCD.

Haha I always leave that stuff on, for a least a few days as I'm scared of getting my shiny new toy dirty

Hmm maybe I have OCD...

PCM2 said:
HardForum right?

Yeah, but he's not written one up yet. I expect he's going to write the review and make the Youtube video review, then post the whole lot so may be a few days yet.

Dervious · 28 Oct 2010 at 19:37

PCM2 said:
I know I'm in a fortunate position with the range of different monitors I've tried. I do think it's a shame that the retail shops don't stock a proper variety of monitors so people can try them out for themselves. It would make things so much easier.

Spot on.

Still, it keeps you busy doesn`t it ?

PCM2 · 28 Oct 2010 at 21:17

Sure does.

carrot1401 · 3 Nov 2010 at 21:05

So just to kick this place back into life, I want to get rid of my iiyama Prolite E2209HDS and it will be gaming on PC and PS3 (so will need HDMI), so what is the best one to go for? Like the look of the P2450H but want something that performs for under £200

yonk · 10 Dec 2010 at 15:34

So how does Samsung B2440 compare to B2430H?

Mario · 10 Dec 2010 at 18:05

Dont want to make new thread,so will ask here
looking at those monitors,which one you will prefer:
1.BenQ G2420HDBL 24" Widescreen LED Monitor - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-033-BQ&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=
2.IIyama Prolite E2472HD 24" Widescreen LED Monitor - Black http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-060-IY&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=
3.Samsung P2450H 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Glossy Black - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-124-SA&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=

Gonna connect pc,ps3 and x360
My budget is about 180 for monitor (also buying MSI GTX460,since my old good 8800GTX died yesterday

)
Not so sure about those LED's - i read (PCM2 - good job) that P2450 have better picture than those LED's..
I am asking simple (simple????) advise - help me choose from those 3 monitors
Thanks in advance for help

PCM2 · 10 Dec 2010 at 18:10

Seems you've already read the important posts from somebody (who will remain nameless) that has had a bit of experience with all three of those monitors. I think you know which to buy.

Mario · 10 Dec 2010 at 18:13

PCM2 said:
Seems you've already read the important posts from somebody (who will remain nameless) that has had a bit of experience with all three of those monitors. I think you know which to buy.

hehehe

why i think it should be P2450?

or i am wrong?
Reading probably all posts where is any mention of 24" monitor...