Losing Fat (and improving health) is Easy... we have been misled :) My Story

[MoNkeE]

No, you're simply not comprehending it. A fat person uses more energy moving around; try sticking a 20kg bag on your back, you'll soon realise this. The fat itself isn't using energy, having to haul it around is. This means they can lose weight by eating more than a lighter person.

Exact same reason why a man such as myself during a cut has to taper calories down the longer a cut goes on for, as I require less energy to haul myself around (amongst other factors).

 

[Calabi]

No, you're simply not comprehending it. A fat person uses more energy moving around; try sticking a 20kg bag on your back, you'll soon realise this. The fat itself isn't using energy, having to haul it around is. This means they can lose weight by eating more than a lighter person.

Exact same reason why a man such as myself during a cut has to taper calories down the longer a cut goes on for, as I require less energy to haul myself around (amongst other factors).

Yes but fat people move less, some fat people dont even move at all. Like this lady.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...an-Brenda-Flanagan-Davies-weighs-40STONE.html

She eats 6000 calories. So just moving her body around the few times she does eats up those excess 4000 calories(probably more)? I dont know, that seems hard to believe to me.

A normal person can use 2000 calories and lift heavy stuff within that limit. A fat persons muscles dont seem that well developed to me.

 

[MoNkeE]

Yes but (I can't believe I'm about to say this) your average fat person still moves around plenty. You can't take an absolute extreme and use that as your example.........

 

[Calabi]

I'm not just talking about massively overweight people but ordinarily overweight 15 or 20 stone.

For example if I eat 3000 calories a day and the excess calories are converted into fat then surely eventually I should weigh 30 stone and go on to a hundred stone and beyond. But it doesnt seem to work like that. These fat people eat way more than 500 extra calories yet there somehow remain stable at a higher weight. Neither gaining nor losing weight.

Is it because the effort required to lift all their weight equals the amount of calories intaken? What if they suddenly reduce their calories intake by just a a couple of hundred?, would the lose the strength to lift themselves or only be able to do anything for a part of the day and be worn out for the rest.

If your average person uses up 2000 calories a day. And fat people use up 2000 calories day. Then I thought a fat person to lose weight would need to eat less than 2000 calories a day, but that doesnt appear to be the case.

 

[Dave M]

1 pound of adipose tissue (fat to you and me) apparently burns 2 calories per day compared to 6 calories for muscle.

Of course moving greatly increases what the muscle uses but not the fat.

 

[oli collett]

I'm not just talking about massively overweight people but ordinarily overweight 15 or 20 stone.

For example if I eat 3000 calories a day and the excess calories are converted into fat then surely eventually I should weigh 30 stone and go on to a hundred stone and beyond. But it doesnt seem to work like that. These fat people eat way more than 500 extra calories yet there somehow remain stable at a higher weight. Neither gaining nor losing weight.

Is it because the effort required to lift all their weight equals the amount of calories intaken? What if they suddenly reduce their calories intake by just a a couple of hundred?, would the lose the strength to lift themselves or only be able to do anything for a part of the day and be worn out for the rest.

If your average person uses up 2000 calories a day. And fat people use up 2000 calories day. Then I thought a fat person to lose weight would need to eat less than 2000 calories a day, but that doesnt appear to be the case.

Leaving aside muscle/fat for a moment, Calories burnt in everyday life is dependant on weight.

If you're weight is stable at 2000kcal, you're not going to get fat eating 2000Kcal. If you start consuming 2500kcal, your weight will start to increase, up to a point where it will stabilise again and you will stop putting on weight. The same is true for the reverse.

You can't possibly get to 100 stone eating 3000Kcal a day, even just sitting down doing absolutley nothing, it goes back to simple physics.

 

[Tefal]

tell that to tons of "thinnies" with celiac disease who wasted away (you can go either way with that disease) and almost die from the condition.

not sure why you're blaming wheat for a genetic disease/allergy :/

I blame nuts for killing people, with nut allergies! We should stop telling people without nut allergies to eat them too!

 

[Tefal]

Back in 2009 I did cut out crap and all snacks. I didnt go half hearted at it at all and I cut way back in my daily intake as well to the point where I was actually hungry at points.

lol, that's not really a good measure, i can easily eat 5000kcal in a day and still feel hungry at points of that day.

As far as im aware hunger isn;t so much like thirst, in that it's not directly related to need.

Feel thirsty = you need water

feel hungry = don't really need food, you're certainly not starving.

the fact you're now eating more meats and proteins with longer digestion times will have helped this because you'll be "fuller" for longer even if you're actually running more of a calorie deficit than before.

 

[Tefal]

Yes but fat people move less, some fat people dont even move at all. Like this lady.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...an-Brenda-Flanagan-Davies-weighs-40STONE.html

She eats 6000 calories. So just moving her body around the few times she does eats up those excess 4000 calories(probably more)? I dont know, that seems hard to believe to me.

A normal person can use 2000 calories and lift heavy stuff within that limit. A fat persons muscles dont seem that well developed to me.

remember though they have more cells too, which all need energy to live so it takes more energy just to keep them alive even if they're lying still.

 

[MoNkeE]

Tefal, noooooo, don't do it! Don't attempt reason!!!

 

[spoffle]

religious fast as in the muslim one where you cannot even consume water? Yeah, you're likely to feel like crap on that... I wouldn't attempt that myself either and see it as a very silly thing to do considering my staunch views on religion as one of the major sources of hatred and violence in the world, not even mentioning how obviously man-made, written and brain-washing every single one of our big religions is. Though I'm not dismissing you'd feel bad on real intermittent fasting, you may do, many people probably do.

Oh lawdy lawd, you gon' don' it now. Nobody gon' take you seriously now.

 

[Freefaller]

*unsubscribes for fear of saying something which will get me banned*

 

[MoNkeE]

DO IT PHAGGOT!