M5 Coach crash arrest

[aproctor]

I would expect in such a situation the driver to have some kind of duty of care toward his passengers (this is why I don't pull people, incidentally! ) - granted, if they refused to go, then fair enough. But this looks like they all sat in the bus for over 10minutes prior to the accident, not one got off? Surely that came from some form of instruction....

The bus driver has not been arrested for breaking down, thats for certain!

I would have thought that the coach driver played the odds and thought it was safer for everyone to remain on board than stand in between two armcos.

Prbably should have moved them to the front but it is a tragic accident.

As for breaking down, it happens.

I don't think there was any negligence by the coach driver and from the sounds of things nor do the authorities.

I would have beeen suprised from the reports if the HGV driver was prosecuted too.

 

[Gammawolf]

I would expect in such a situation the driver to have some kind of duty of care toward his passengers (this is why I don't pull people, incidentally! ) - granted, if they refused to go, then fair enough. But this looks like they all sat in the bus for over 10minutes prior to the accident, not one got off? Surely that came from some form of instruction....

The bus driver has not been arrested for breaking down, thats for certain!

No doubt about it that the driver has some authority over the passengers and is partially responsible but had i been on that bus, given the dense fog and stopping location, wouldn't have hesitated to get off even if it requires smashing the side windows. It just makes you wonder, had they received advice to stay on the bus, why not one of them challenged the sanity of it?

 

[Scania]

I would have thought that the coach driver played the odds and thought it was safer for everyone to remain on board than stand in between two armcos.

He imo, thought wrong, plain & simple.

Prbably should have moved them to the front but it is a tragic accident.

Tragic, yes, move them to the front? No! off & away from the vehicle & carriageway (behind armcos being most suitable)

As for breaking down, it happens.

Indeed, as I say, he's not been arrested because he broke down.

I don't think there was any negligence by the coach driver and from the sounds of things nor do the authorities.

From my experience of RTA's with death involved, arrests are made when wrong doing is suspected, something went seriously wrong here, had the deceased passenger been off the bus, he'd be here today.

I would have beeen suprised from the reports if the HGV driver was prosecuted too.

You & me both,

I think, you'll find that him being dead will have something to do with it.........

 

[[TW]Fox]

I would have thought that the coach driver played the odds and thought it was safer for everyone to remain on board than stand in between two armcos.

The coach was on the inside lane and the door on the left hand side of the vehicle. They wouldnt have been stood between the carraigeways.

Prbably should have moved them to the front but it is a tragic accident.

As for breaking down, it happens.

He is in charge of the safety of these people - he isnt just there to drive.

I don't think there was any negligence by the coach driver and from the sounds of things nor do the authorities.

You think the fact he has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving means the authorities don't think he did anything wrong?

Clearly they do think he did something wrong

 

[Glaucus]

The other thing I found interesting is non of the news reports said the driver phoned it in. Just a couple who passed by thinking a crash would be inevitable.

I still can't understand why the people on the bus would stay on, even if the driver told me. I would leave and try and make others leave as well.

Still all speculation till we get more details.

 

[ubersonic]

''do not put yourself in danger by attempting even simple repairs''
I understand it's dangerous, but is the highway code enforceable ? I mean do you HAVE to follow this rule ? To hell with not attempting even simple repairs, I'm not gonna call the ANWB (RAC) if I just have to swap a tyre or re-attach my battery or fix a small leak of coolant or so.

The Do/Do not's and Should/Should not's in the HWC are not law like the Must/Must not's are however they are precedent (they are used to determine blame/fault bay court). So violating them will not get you done, however if any accident arises from you violating them you will get hung out to dry.

 

[Energize]

what erks me is you assume the fault was the truckers, like many people automatically think with any HGV related incident.

Generally when someone crashes into a stationary object they are the major party to blame yes. Not being able to stop in time in an incident is pretty much the definition of driving too fast. You know not everyone has a vendetta against HGV drivers, and if a car had crashed into the bus I would have said the same thing...