Man jailed for urinating on a woman who lay dying in a street
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Do you deny that modern technology has improved the clearup rate for crime?
'It was never like that in my day! It was lovely, everyone was nice, happy, no crime, fluffy bunnies in the street, German bombs blowing our cities apart, the IRA blowing up buildings...'
Perhaps indeed, although I notice you are taking your low point figure from when the UK was right in the middle of the Second World War - not exactly a time when we were focused on domestic crime was it?
Can I also ask - your prison population graph, is that for the UK or just Scotland? How does it deal with English prisoners in Scottish jails?
Do you even know what cleanup rates are today compared with 50 years ago?
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The rise of crime aside, my initial reaction was that the prison sentence was too low - albeit I am not sure if the ladies death could have been avoided if he had helped her (i.e. if he could have prevented her dying the crime is considerably worse).
On the other hand, assuming he gets out early for good behaviour (a topic in its own right), he will spend 550 days in jail. That puts a slightly different perspective on it.
On the other hand, assuming he gets out early for good behaviour (a topic in its own right), he will spend 550 days in jail. That puts a slightly different perspective on it.
No I'm not, 1950 prison population was approximately 1800, overall population 5.1 million, today prison population is approx 6800 with a population much the same.[TW]Fox;10358308 said:
All people in Scottish jails.[TW]Fox;10358308 said:
Do you?[TW]Fox;10358308 said:
I've provided figures showing that the prison population in Scotland is approximately 4 times as high now as it was in the 50s with little change in population, if you can find evidence that the police are cleaning up 4 times as many crimes now as they are then I will agree with you. Technology works both ways, it can also make criminals harder to detect.
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Fair enough.
It is routinely the case that somebody from England will serve a sentance in a Scottish Jail. For this reason, I dismiss your figures as misleading and will only accept UK crime figures versus UK population.
People get jailed for all sorts of crap now that they never used to. How many people were in jail for not paying council tax in 1950? How many were in jail for driving their car too quickly, or other motoring offences? How many were in jail for fraud and suchlike? People got away with a heck of a lot more back then than they do now - police response rates were obviously not nearing as effective, you can only get somewhere so quickly in a 1945 police car!
The sad thing is that human being's can do this sort of thing!
The transfer of prisoners to/from the Scottish Prison Service from the rest of the UK's system is only done in special circumstances. It also works both ways.[TW]Fox;10358393 said:
Sentimental twaddle[TW]Fox;10358393 said:
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Nothing actually surprises me anymore, its a shame.
I know this is clichéd but did stuff like this happened 20yrs ago?
Youtube wasn't about then so nej.
I know this is clichéd but did stuff like this happened 20yrs ago?
Youtube wasn't about then so nej.
Exactly what I thought. I couldn't believe what I was hearing when it was being reported on the news - absolutely shocking.
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Technically no-one nowadays goes to prison for failing to pay their council tax either. The council gains a Court Order telling the person that they must pay. If they fail to, they are jailed for breaching a Court Order, not for failing to pay the tax.
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But IIRC it was the Tories who brought in jail for failing to pay local taxes during the chaos of the Poll Tax.
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