Manchester Bombing *** Please remain respectful and refrain from antagonising posts ***
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Agreed, but that's not what your suggesting - that's what most of us who oppose your ideas are pointing already happens.
Provide the evidence that someone is "supporting a hostile foreign power", or murdered children and everyone is happy for them to be arrested, tried and jailed - then deported if required. But again, that's not what you're arguing for.
Out of interest, how much blame do you lay at the UK?
This is where the Quran becomes very complex - much is far more conditional and/or requires understanding a wider context to what can seem to be a fairly simple passage - for simplicity sake two Muslims could live next door to each other acting in completely different ways but still in accord with Islam due to things like Fatwas and other types of edicts, etc.
Christianity went through a renaissance Islam hasn't (yet), you're doing the diverting thing again and frankly the westboro baptists are tiny. Again this isn't just about Islamists either - yes other religions have issues too but Islam in particular has rather a lot - these problems aren't all equivalent just because you can cite some fringe groups/engage in some whataboutery to deflect any criticism.
SO its lock up every Muslim then?
SO when you have arrested 3000, or 10,000 people you building a separate prison for each one??????????
By the looks of the mood of the nation it would be voted through in a heart beat if it went to a referendum - one of the petitions for it is getting more than 150,000 signatures an hour.
Which is why referendums are always a bad idea. Emotions get in the way. I am pretty sure capital punishment be beheading in city centre squares would be carried by a big majority too.
Deported where ?
All you doing there is letting the person preach even more hate unless the regime is such that its death sentence. I guess a few would argue rightly so.
No lock them up in solitary for the rest of there miserable days. Make the rest of the days on earth a lonely miserable 4 wall existence supermax style.
Odd question, I was and still am (I hope) a member of the UK, I didn't ask leaders to make a total hash of things and I sure didn't vote for them at the time. On that specific issue, 1 Million people took time off work and travelled to Parliament to protest. It's akin to me asking what percentage of blame, say the Muslims I went to Uni with, should shoulder for Manchester.
On those that did agree the intervention, you have been lied to, in the united states the same leaders who invented the red October super invisible Russian submarine suggested, if we couldn't see Saddams WMD's, they too must be hidden programs (the known known's the unknown knowns blah blah blah). I have seen little coverage to explain the extent of death in the region during that war, the media covered "smart bombs" a lot, which hardly show 2 Southampton sized populations shuffling off. Assuming The image I mentioned of the dad/child was mid war (say 2007/8) and the kid was 8 at the time, they'd be turning/around 18, still it was a long time ago, presumably not as relevant to our discussion as I'd imagine it appeared to the surviving Dad!
One point I'll agree, what we do right now is now far more important than what happened then, in the sense that the past is immutable, but only a fool would ignore the past when looking to what to do in the future.
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Why should I pay a penny on my tax money?
I'd rather it go to chavs who get drunk and stay on the dole, then pay for a hate preacher in prison. At least the chav money goes on fags and booze.
SO if you arent going to lock them up because you wont pay for it then what is your answer? Round them up and commit genocide??????
I was meaning with regards to the situation now, i just got the feeling you think what's happening now is down to the UK/USA, the invasion and what not.
I guess basing your position on your "feeling" of what I think, is why I suggested your supposed "adding" to the discussion is a debate for another time!
So much like the two Christians living next door to each other then?
I understand that in theory they are supposed to be different, but in practice they are both the same, all depending on which interpretation and doctrine you follow.
I'm not diverting anything. I'm pointing out the distinct contradictory nature of the argument so many put up. It doesn't matter that the Westboro baptists are tiny (I could equally use an example like the treatment of homosexuality due to Christianity in Africa - and that involves millions). What matters it that people that consider themselves Christian are using verses from the Bible to justify their views and actions. That's exactly what organisations like ISIS are doing.
The interpretation of the verses and choice of whether to use them is simply down to cultural and moral viewpoints - hence the issue is not with Christianity or Islam, its with the interpretation and choices that people make when following it.
When people grow up in less conservative cultures they tend to follow a less conservative version of their religion - as shown in all Abrahamic religions.
That's the point, not that "other religions have problems too" - as I said, religions are not inherently the problem, it's what people do with them that can be.
This insistance that people are deflecting because they point out this contradiction and make comparisons is another reason why rational debate is difficult to have.
So with all that said what do you think are the fundamental issues with Islam out of interest, perhaps we can then discuss them individually?
Just to clarify I'm talking about deporting after they have served their prison sentence. Never understood this idea that people should be deported before they have served their time. And deporting would only be the case if they were citizens of another country and not born in the UK.
When is that debate going to happen exactly? Not sure why it's a problem to talk about it.
Nah, perhaps we could put them to work while interred, only feeding them the bare minimum food. Then when thousands "accidentally" die of "hunger" we can put them in big incinerators to dispose of the
With Christianity that tends to be due to belonging to very different denominations while less the case with Muslims.