Manchester Bombing *** Please remain respectful and refrain from antagonising posts ***

Trusty said:
When is that debate going to happen exactly? Not sure why it's a problem to talk about it.
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I guess, following a totally disgusting cowards attack on a Children's concert in the UK, I don't "feel" like debating blame with a troll. Especially when a serious consideration of who we actually listen to as future leaders that could reduce hate not fuel it, is on the table...
 
Amp34 said:
I'm not diverting anything. I'm pointing out the distinct contradictory nature of the argument so many put up.


The interpretation of the verses and choice of whether to use them is simply down to cultural and moral viewpoints - hence the issue is not with Christianity or Islam, its with the interpretation and choices that people make when following it.
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That's the point, not that "other religions have problems too" - as I said, religions are not inherently the problem, it's what people do with them that can be.

This insistance that people are deflecting because they point out this contradiction and make comparisons is another reason why rational debate is difficult to have.

So with all that said what do you think are the fundamental issues with Islam out of interest, perhaps we can then discuss them individually?
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I'm not seeing any contradictions in what I've posted on this matter, if others have made contradictory posts then I don't see the relevance tbh.. again you're bringing up a semantic issue when you try to differentiate between some abstract concept of the religion and the interpretation of the religion. As for issues with Islam there are many - most of it is indeed related to interpretation, like I said before this isn't confined to Islamists, I'd suggest the person featured in the video posted previously for a start though if you want to start a general conversation about issues with Islam then perhaps it would be better off in a separate thread.
 
Is that what barely a day after intelligence sharing was halted, that we just give up our hand?

I realise that it helps no one to stop, but the US needs to learn a lesson and capitulating within a day is just silly.
 
StriderX said:
Is that what barely a day after intelligence sharing was halted, that we just give up our hand?

I realise that it helps no one to stop, but the US needs to learn a lesson and capitulating within a day is just silly.
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Guessing our Intelligence Services know who is leading the anti-Trump faction in the White House and have received assurances it won't happen again.
 
stewski said:
I guess, following a totally disgusting cowards attack on a Children's concert in the UK, I don't "feel" like debating blame with a troll. Especially when a serious consideration of who we actually listen to as future leaders that could reduce hate not fuel it, is on the table...
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A troll eh? You couldn't be more wrong.

It's obvious what you think btw.
 
My old man's just text me.. (Were from Bristol) Cabot Circus in Bristol has been evacuated and all surrounding areas taped off... Police have had calls saying a bomb is in there somewhere.... Think its probably just a Hoax because of all that's going on...
 
Minibiker said:
My old man's just text me.. (Were from Bristol) Cabot Circus in Bristol has been evacuated and all surrounding areas taped off... Police have had calls saying a bomb is in there somewhere.... Think its probably just a Hoax because of all that's going on...
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Maybe they are going to start using the old IRA playbook - call in hoaxes to constantly cause chaos until they aren't taken seriously then use 1-2 bombs until the hoaxes are taken seriously again, repeat.
 
Trusty said:
A troll eh? You couldn't be more wrong.

It's obvious what you think btw.
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Hopefully it is indeed obvious I think that Iraq was an idiotic intervention, based on false premises, by those with a history of inventing fictional WMDs, which directly lead to the rise of ISIS, large scale death in the region and ongoing problems unlikely to be solved by doubling down on such actions, especially as these are generally considered as observable facts.

It hardly makes me an apologist or a pacifist, I'd gladly drop an idiot coward about to bring harm at a kids concert, logical utilitarianism really.

I wonder how much you can feel what everyone is thinking.
 
scorza said:
Guessing our Intelligence Services know who is leading the anti-Trump faction in the White House and have received assurances it won't happen again.
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They've found some extra thick tin foil. If you ask nicely they'll send you a hat too.
 
Rroff said:
Maybe they are going to start using the old IRA playbook - call in hoaxes to constantly cause chaos until they aren't taken seriously then use 1-2 bombs until the hoaxes are taken seriously again, repeat.
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Yeah wouldnt surprise me...

Update: Police have finished searching Cabot And the surrounding area and habe found nothing suspicious so all is open again :)
 
stewski said:
Hopefully it is indeed obvious I think that Iraq was an idiotic intervention, based on false premises, by those with a history of inventing fictional WMDs, which directly lead to the rise of ISIS, large scale death in the region and ongoing problems unlikely to be solved by doubling down on such actions, especially as these are generally considered as observable facts.

It hardly makes me an apologist or a pacifist, I'd gladly drop an idiot coward about to bring harm at a kids concert, logical utilitarianism really.

I wonder how much you can feel what everyone is thinking.
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Yeah, i agree with some of your points, i take issue with you thinking that the invasion is the reason that ISIS are cutting off their fellow countryman's heads.
 
Trusty said:
Yeah, i agree with some of your points, i take issue with you thinking that the invasion is the reason that ISIS are cutting off their fellow countryman's heads.
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That's irrelevant, extremists are extremists. If we hadn't got involved, none of this would have happened.

Regardless utterly pointless argument, as all we can do is not be as dumb as previously.
 
stewski said:
Hopefully it is indeed obvious I think that Iraq was an idiotic intervention, based on false premises, by those with a history of inventing fictional WMDs, which directly lead to the rise of ISIS, large scale death in the region and ongoing problems unlikely to be solved by doubling down on such actions, especially as these are generally considered as observable facts.
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I'd say a nuclear bomb was a WMD wouldnt you?


"In 2015 it was learned that Iraq's weapons of mass destruction had not been fully accounted for by UN inspections.[13] Ten years after its inception, Operation Avarice was declassified and it was learned that there were stockpiles of warheads and rockets containing degraded chemical agents similar to those used in the Iran-Iraq War. From 2005 through 2006 military intelligence discovered that the weapons—many in poor condition, some empty or containing nonlethal liquid, but others containing sarin with unexpectedly high purity—were in the possession of one Iraqi individual who remained anonymous. Operation Avarice, headed by army intelligence and the CIA, involved the discreet purchase of the weapons from the unidentified individual to keep them off the black market.[13]"
 
Trusty said:
Yeah, i agree with some of your points, i take issue with you thinking that the invasion is the reason that ISIS are cutting off their fellow countryman's heads.
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Its not getting better as discussion goes. I've never mentioned ISIS having any form of reasoned position, perhaps another thing you "feel" I think.

It is however likely that both the intervention in Iraq and it's operational execution very much lead to ISIS existing in it's current state. Not to mention totally failing the Kurd's both times in Iraq and between/since.
 
Besides afaik the SAS are known for being highly efficient warriors not exactly known for being intellectuals or politicians are they?
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Wrong...but what is frowned upon is talking to the media.
 
StriderX said:
That's irrelevant, extremists are extremists. If we hadn't got involved, none of this would have happened.

Regardless utterly pointless argument, as all we can do is not be as dumb as previously.
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Extremests and terror occured before the wars though, i think the reasons are much bigger, although certainly the wars played a part. and, I think we're making a mistake to fixate on that as the cause.
 
StriderX said:
That's irrelevant, extremists are extremists. If we hadn't got involved, none of this would have happened.

Regardless utterly pointless argument, as all we can do is not be as dumb as previously.
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You don't know the history of the middle east. Suicide bombers, terrorists have always been killing. Plenty of mass murders pre 9/11 and pre Iraq 1 & 2
 
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