Manchester Bombing *** Please remain respectful and refrain from antagonising posts ***

Labour has suspended one of its vice-chairmen in Surrey after he suggested the government could have been behind the Manchester bombing.

Daniel Ewen - vice-chair in Esher and Walton - wrote on Facebook: "I would not put it past our establishment, our rightwing government or Theresa May to blow up their own people in order to continue to secure power for themselves".

The Labour party has confirmed to BBC Surrey that Mr Ewen has since been suspended.

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Disgusting use of a terror attack to sling political poo. I expect it from some of yanks across the pond but not here. It is one thing to use it to point out inadequacies in governing or failings in social/foreign policies but actually directly accusing someone of the act when its blatantly untrue is utterly stupid and disrespectful.

antijoke said:
So we hold them to this forever, despite the people being different?
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Brand loyalty seems to work both ways in politics. Scorza discussing politics seems no different from the people in the GPU forum discussing green vs red where they condemn new models because ones from 3 generations previous overheated.

IMO brand loyalty is the single most damaging thing for our democracy, where people support and hate parties like they were football teams. They support them with heavy bias regardless of performance and it has created a system where despite being constantly annoyed and disappointed in the two main political parties, they are undoubtedly the ones that will be elected.
 
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antijoke said:
So we hold them to this forever, despite the people being different?
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It just seemed a little bit unfair to me to be blaming the current Conservative party for this mess when actually it was a Labour government that ordered the invasion of Iraq.
 
I would have said the attack was good news for the tories, politically. The tories have a reputation for being tough on this sort of thing, and labour are in a tricky spot given all the guff about corbyn and terrorists given his comments about the IRA and Hamas in the past.
 
nkata said:
Labour has suspended one of its vice-chairmen in Surrey after he suggested the government could have been behind the Manchester bombing.

Daniel Ewen - vice-chair in Esher and Walton - wrote on Facebook: "I would not put it past our establishment, our rightwing government or Theresa May to blow up their own people in order to continue to secure power for themselves".

The Labour party has confirmed to BBC Surrey that Mr Ewen has since been suspended.

From BBC
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Blimey, I know the tragic event fell on the day that Theresa May was getting an absolute pounding (shudder) in the press but to actually come out and say it in such a way. That's a career-ender right there.
 
Vonhelmet said:
I would have said the attack was good news for the tories, politically. The tories have a reputation for being tough on this sort of thing, and labour are in a tricky spot given all the guff about corbyn and terrorists given his comments about the IRA and Hamas in the past.
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May was struggling just before with dementia tax, the u turn on the manifesto and the Andrew Neil performance. Rudd hasn't come across well the last few days and it's easy to poke them both with a stick about the home office, police numbers and intelligence because between them they have run it for a majority of the past 10 years.

Add drift to ukip and a voice of reason from Corbyn or the libs and I can't possibly see how they will return with a larger majority or stronger hand for brexit which was the whole point in the first place
 
Are we at cross purposes here? Trying to keep up with the discussion.

Yesterday Paul Nuttal stood there launching his UKIP manifesto and put some of the blame on Teresa May as she was in charge of the Home office for years and is now PM

Corbyn has stated that the foreign policy of this country (our actions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria) is one of the factors that ultimately leads brainwashed idiots blowing themselves up here. He hasn't blamed Teresa May.
 
randal said:
Blimey, I know the tragic event fell on the day that Theresa May was getting an absolute pounding (shudder) in the press but to actually come out and say it in such a way. That's a career-ender right there.
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And an actual politican no less, not some idiot living in a mud hut.
 
Its ludicrous to suggest that a larger majority would make any difference to Brexit negotiations anyway. Its just another lie peddled to the gullible. The EU dont care who is in power or how many MP's they have.
 
chroniclard said:
Its ludicrous to suggest that a larger majority would make any difference to Brexit negotiations anyway. Its just another lie peddled to the gullible. The EU dont care who is in power or how many MP's they have.
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This. But sadly it seems to be the main point claimed by the Tories as to why you should vote for them.

Heard some TORY MP on the radio this morning saying we should discuss the police and security services and terrorism until after the GE. Yeah right.
 
stewski said:
What is a leap, is to suggest despite our weapons killing a population of people twice the size of a medium sized UK city it may well have all been the same.
Who will the probable 10's-100 of thousands of mums and dads who lost their kids in the region, hold ill will against?
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yet this attacker wasn't from Iraq and was a British citizen, plenty of those attacking Europe are European citizens, France didn't invade Iraq and they've suffered attacks...

Tunisia, Libya(initially), Syria, Egypt etc.. have little to do with Western intervention

chroniclard said:
Its ludicrous to suggest that a larger majority would make any difference to Brexit negotiations anyway. Its just another lie peddled to the gullible. The EU dont care who is in power or how many MP's they have.
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no it isn't, if she's beholden to hardcore leavers then that changes what she can sell to her party in terms of a final settlement - of course it matters, the larger her majority the better she is able to make compromises and the lower the chance of thing talks collapsing
 
dowie said:
yet this attacker wasn't from Iraq and was a British citizen, plenty of those attacking Europe are European citizens, France didn't invade Iraq and they've suffered attacks...

Tunisia, Libya(initially), Syria, Egypt etc.. have little to do with Western intervention
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Quite - in fact the Manchester Bomber would have supported our helping in the removal of Gaddaffi, this isnt someone protesting our intervention

AQ existed before all of this remember, ISIS is just a new flavour for the same thing, people living under ISIS in Syria or Mosul dont want these people either, they are very happy to see the back of them

Instability itself does give room for these groups to exist, its not an argument against intervention, but one of doing a good job of it when you do
 
Dis86 said:
So I'm confused. Our foreign policy has caused a young man, born in the UK, to kill British people en masse is what people are trying to say?
And this is the same thing for the previous 'home grown' terrorists? Well that just doesn't make a lick of sense!
Ok, let's accept that this is the cause.
Why isn't it that other people, like stewski, who disagree with the UKs foreign policy keep committing these atrocities? Why didn't we see these attacks when we were mucking about with colonialism in Africa? Or even other parts of Asia? Why is it that those who do all seem to belong to one similar demographic?

Yet again the elephant in the room is being ignored.
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indeed, we didn't have Serbian and Russian orthodox terrorists after intervening in the Balkans, we didn't have to deal with West African terrorists after intervention in Sierra Leone, we din't deal with Spanish/Argentinian terrorists after the Falklands yet we're supposed to let our forgiven policy be dictated by a minority of extremists when it comes to intervening in a muslim country... obviously in the case of Bosnia and Kosovo the intervention is OK if the 'enemy' are a non-muslim side
 
dowie said:
France didn't invade Iraq and they've suffered attacks... Tunisia, Libya(initially), Syria, Egypt etc.. have little to do with Western intervention
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France committed the second largest European contingent to the Iraq Coalition. They have been dropping bombs like crazy in Iraq since IS set up camp. France also administered Syria in the past and were responsible for installing the Alawite government. In North Africa they have been meddling for years, it was their colonial stomping ground. Morocco and Tunisia both have French as a major spoken language.
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
France committed the second largest European contingent to the Iraq Coalition. They have been dropping bombs like crazy in Iraq since IS set up camp. France also administered Syria in the past and were responsible for installing the Alawite government. In North Africa they have been meddling for years, it was their colonial stomping ground. Morocco and Tunisia both have French as a major spoken language.
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The poster was referring to the invasion of Iraq, no one has claimed that France doesn't take part in foreign interventions and frankly so what if they do? We shouldn't bomb ISIS because they might launch suicide attacks... I'm sure the people living under their rule would be happy with that brave stance.
 
From the photos released, it looks like a detonator triggered using a 12v battery.

Not that I know much about bombs lol
 
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