Manchester Bombing *** Please remain respectful and refrain from antagonising posts ***

stewski said:
I guess when children die or are killed by our government (and others) in the 10's to 100,000's in places like Iraq, I'd find it difficult to write what you have above, perhaps it's because one of the earliest images of that war I saw, was of a father holding a dead 8 year old with missing limbs!

But please spout off about the Importance of Judo/Christian "Civilisation" that seemingly decide these wars, just remember that a million UK citizens marched on parliament to protest just one of them!

For the record, in my eyes, no war or action by government(s) or religion, is likely ever to be a reasonable justification for attacking children at a concert, or carpet bombing a region full of them for that matter!
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You've already witnessed the consequences of inaction and hesitation by us in Syria. Chemical attacks, kids choking to death, Russia, Hezbollah and Iran filling the power vacuum whilst 11 million are displaced and hundreds of thousands die. All the while stop the war coalition raise placards about the west and go home to a nice cosy bed feeling smug. Inaction has consequences too.

The rationale behind the Iraq and Afghanistan war has been well covered now. We are past that. The issue is what are specific communities doing or not doing well enough to root out these extremists and how can they be helped?
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Dumbass Trump Gov leaking classified evidence to the US media, WTF.
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Most likely the idiotic #ResistanceAgainstTrump who have been trying to undermine his government with leaks since he took office, now they're actively trying to help the Islamic State.

Daily Mail has a (probably wrong) feature on the "loadout" of that SAS soldier from yesterday: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4539292/Hundreds-armed-troops-patrol-London-landmarks.html There was some discussion about what was in his backpack, they claim it's a mobile phone jammer. They also airbrushed out the tattoos on his arms.
 
Above&Beyond said:
The issue is what are specific communities doing or not doing well enough to root out these extremists and how can they be helped?
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Couldn't agree more. It seems there is consensus that allowing extreme right wing xenophobes to exist undisturbed in echo-chambers where all they are fed and feed themselves is fake-news/false-rhetoric has got to come to an end.

scorza said:
Most likely the idiotic #ResistanceAgainstTrump who have been trying to undermine his government with leaks since he took office, now they're actively trying to help the Islamic State.
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Not "most likely" - what you mean is "the only explanation I can come up with that leaves my warped world view intact".

When Obama was *actually* being undermined by the Republicans, did that stop you from trying to claim he was ineffectual? No.

Now, however, you're desperate to put forward an unevidenced and unlikely conspiracy theory that, in spite of the Trump's clear incompetence, that ineptitude is somehow not at fault here. You need to stop taking Breitbart as gospel.
 
garnett said:
Not "most likely" - what you mean is "the only explanation I can come up with that leaves my warped world view intact".

When Obama was *actually* being undermined by the Republicans, did that stop you from trying to claim he was ineffectual? No.

Now, however, you're desperate to put forward an unevidenced and unlikely conspiracy theory that, in spite of the Trump's clear incompetence, that ineptitude is somehow not at fault here.
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I think it's much more likely there is an idiot in whichever US department is receiving the information that is leaking these, whether or not it's a political move to undermine Trump or just a cop wanting some quick cash who knows
 
Amp34 said:
Sorry but what are you on about?

I'm not the one suggesting locking people up (and possibly their families) indefinitely. That's the others advocating it - go look back in this thread.

Also where have I said Prevent is not a palatable strategy?

I think you need to go and read past posts and understand what people are actually talking about. Your last few posts don't make any sense.

That said admittedly Prevent is seen with suspicion by many in those communities as its seem a spying on them, and being run by people that don't understand the communities they serve. As an example - https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.the...radicalisation-prevent-strategy-a-toxic-brand

To get round these issues many communities have set up their own schemes to help alert community members and police to potential troublesome people.

Your starting premise appears to be that Muslim communities don't want to deal with the issue. That's just not correct.

As has already been pointed out the police/security services had been warned about this particular guy form people within his community. The man arrested a few weeks ago with knives was also caught because police were alerted by his family (I believe).

Edit: yes, it was his family https://www.google.ca/amp/www.teleg...e-westminster-arrest-man-backpack-knives/amp/
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You said:

"Engaging with the Islamic community, although it has its faults (such as prevent)"

And then you proceed to label prevent as some sort of surveillance tool. That doesn't make me think you find prevent palatable. When there are well funded and well researched strategic endeavours to combat extremism (prevent) and they are rejected to do your own thing it isn't going to be welcomed by many. It's going to be seen as unhelpful at best.
 
its pretty convientient that the leaks have so far just been showing how embarrassingly rubbish and corrupt Trump has been, and all of a sudden are just straight releasing evidence from shared intel of ongoing investigations
hmmm Trump himself so far being the only one who wanted to stop the leaks? - and who does this blunder help i wonder?

that said NYT - massive own goal you idiots, maybe at least a minutes thought next time?
 
XeNoN89 said:
I think it's much more likely there is an idiot in whichever US department is receiving the information that is leaking these, whether or not it's a political move to undermine Trump or just a cop wanting some quick cash who knows
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Once you start leaking information, a culture of leaks begins which is very difficult to reverse.
 
Amp34 said:
Out of interest what did she say?
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it was just a short clip, she was sat down with others at the vigil/coming together thing and gave a standard couple of platitudes about how 'this does not represent us' etc.. I think the t-shirt was perhaps more thoughtless/stupid on her part rather than anything too sinister
 
Chris Wilson said:
You must be an estate agent's dream, a chap who can't recognise a ****hole area even when living near it :) I lived for over 40 years in Gatley, and it's now become a dump.
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I think it says more about your screwed up view of the country where an area that is 90% British is viewed as having some sort of immigration crisis.
 
XeNoN89 said:
I think it's much more likely there is an idiot in whichever US department is receiving the information that is leaking these, whether or not it's a political move to undermine Trump or just a cop wanting some quick cash who knows
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indeed - I wouldn't have thought there is anything political to be made re: the leaks - the allegation is it came from US law enforcement rather than security services etc.. the culture they have over there is that various people in law enforcement are often in contact with journalists and leak info about investigations rather a lot... I guess given the sheer number of law enforcement personnel who may have had access to the information shared then there isn't much that can be done to stop it other than not sharing with the US or perhaps trying to keep it with their intelligence services only
 
scorza said:
In case anyone missed it, as I did first time around, the o in love is a hand grenade, the v looks like a knife and the e some sort of assault rifle. Can't tell what the l is.
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I doubt Ch4 news would worry about that at all with their well known pandering to anybody who is remotely anti-British.
 
Tefal said:
"white" British...

theres many more British than 45%
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Why don't you search first or are you gunning for a argument?

"Whilst 45% of London's population is White British, the graph shows that it is by far the most common ethno-national group. A further 15% are from other white groups. The next largest ethnic groups in London are Indian and Black African each making up around 7% of the population"

http://www.londonspovertyprofile.or...y-population/londons-population-by-ethnicity/
 
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