Poll: Mandatory national service, yey or nay
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Absolutely. I would be in the latter category, the outcome likely either being my suicide or becoming an incredibly hostile and resentful individual at the end of it.
R.I.P Pyro too, that's very sad
Why? no ones put forward a good argument yet.
because it my teach the tiny minority some respect? Despite they have been yobs for 12 years, the hand outs are still their, lack of powers police and school our still their.
So you want to nationalise something to help 1% of the population, despite not doing anything to solve the problems and you will still have yobs until they turn 18, where you hope 12months will suddenly change them.
The idea of asbos is actually good, the implementation less so. Asbos should give the courts more power for repeat offenders. Before the crime might not have server consonances, however if they have an asbo already it opens up the option for teh courts to gve out bigger punishments.
So you are essentially saying once a yob is a yob then they can't be "saved"? Well nice on you...
Of course governments will still hand out money, the point being they will most probably hand out less as at least some of these yobs would actually have some skills and be useful for society again.
I know, my GF is one of them (along with quite a few of my friends), however the national service I advocate wouldn't affect that study. The national service would be during the summer, when they aren't studying, and if they are (I spent a lot of my time off on fieldtrips) they can be included/national service can work around that.
As for summer holidays needing to be used to make money, true for a small amount of people that really need the money to keep studying, the rest either use that money to splash out on holidays or to live more comfortably (this is from personal experience with friends, I have been through the whole uni thing and know how it really works). Having said that who says national service doesn't pay? I assume other nations pay their national servicers at least some form of pay and in either case if money was desperate (funnily enough the only person I knew that really needed money to stay on at uni was essentially middle class) they could spend their time working with a company at least part time, as mentioned previously.
I'm not saying don't fix the problem to begin with, and not saying national service should be just for yobs. I'm saying national service would be good for most people going through it, giving them experiences they couldn't get otherwise as well as experience in life and jobs and useful qualifications/skills. I think it would help a lot to remove some of the biggest issues employers have with young people, especially those coming out of uni.
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Thyey already do really. They just call it 'community service' and have them cleaning graffitti off walls and gardening for old people, rather than running up and down hills with army packs!
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Mandatory national service is a retarded idea.
Mwahahahaa, sorry are you really saying that community service would be the same as military service?
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Because the military wants a load of criminals working within it?
So you are essentially saying once a yob is a yob then they can't be "saved"? Well nice on you...
, I'm saying you can't let them be yobs for 12 years it is not productive and make it harder to fix. You need to sort the PROBLEMS out. Might by forcing all of society on it, to sort out a tiny tiny minority. Probably less than 1% of the population. [/QUOTE]
The hand outs are part of the PROBLEM. How can you not see it is better to sort the PROBLEMS out.
Yes because everyone is as well of as you. it's not a small portion. Student fees and living expenses are extremely high., As is 20-40K debt when you leave uni. You know who this would hurt the most? the poor, I have several mates that are now doing really well for themself. yet came from poor backgrounds. they had to work every hour they could to afford uni, loans do not pay for everything and with no support from parents you really do have to work a lot to afford it.
If you fix the problems you don't need national service. why inflict it on 99% of the population that are absolutely fine..
Why would it be good, got anything to back it up.
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I'm talking asbos here, young people who in my opinion need someone to discipline them properly then teach them something about life. You never know they may come out of their service with a tad of respect for the people around them and even have an idea of what they would like to do with their lives.
Overseas work wouyld only be allowed to people responsible enough, if the "yob" gows up and becomes responsible then they get the opportunity to do it if they want, along with other options. If they don't grow up then they can carry on square bashing/digging ditches/whatever.
That way the charities get to pick a reliable workforce to do their bidding, the "kids" would get to do something a lot of them wouldn't have thought/been able to and the "Adults" a feeling that the "useless" kids are doing something useful instead of "hanging around on street corners"...
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No, read again. Slower.
You could make this voluntary and not forced on everyone. Conscripting the whole of society into it is retarded, it won't help a lot of people, cost a fortune and waste parts of your life. Life is already tied up and decided for us to much. Why do you want to lose another 6-12months. Just to sort out a TINY minority. Which need sorting out from a much younger age,
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Or they'll just go back to their dilapidated council estate with no job and try to score some heroin.
You need to give these people incentive and opportunity, maybe national service could do that but its unlikely as I wasn't aware that was its main purpose.
Agreed.