Poll: Mandatory national service, yey or nay

Should there be mandatory National Service in the UK?

  • Yes, let's go square bashing

    Votes: 283 46.9%

  • No, I can't be bothered polishing my boots

    Votes: 321 53.1%
  • Total voters
    604
AcidHell2 said:
Of course it is disruptive many people leave uni at 22 after a 4 year course, then have 3-5 years of extra studying and exams and you want them to take 12months out.

As well as the psychological effect of it.
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I graduated at 26 having been at Uni studied for 8 years, so I'm guessing I know more about the kind of situation you are refering to than you do.

Also, what psychological effect? If you are talking about military service, I've already stated that this is only one option.
 
I used to think yay until i got interested in joining my self, But now i think to my self that i wouldnt want to be training and going to war with someone that doesnt have there heart in it and doesnt want to be there in the first place.

So its a nay from me.

Volunteers make better troops anyway
 
[DOD]Asprilla;15714953 said:
Military service is only in option, civil service in the uk, overseas charity work or employment with UK companies overseas are others.

Why is this point being ignored by everyone?
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I got that point just after posting my comment, I guess a few people have done the same as me
 
[DOD]Asprilla;15714953 said:
Military service is only in option, civil service in the uk, overseas charity work or employment with UK companies overseas are others.

Why is this point being ignored by everyone?
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Because it erodes the argument about about fighting wars / the reliability of the guy next to you / being forces to go somewhere where you could be shot etc.

Non supportive of their case so some people prefer to pretend it does not exist.

Saying that I am not quite sure who should be paying for all these people to travel overseas for Uk Companies or Charity work especially if the people targetted are 'yobs'.

RB
 
[DOD]Asprilla;15714987 said:
I'm not tageting yobs, I'm saying it should be mandatory for everone.

Finances could be a mixture of public, personal and private.
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I see, so you are suggesting everyone should be able to travel abroad using public money along with private finance (sponsorship by business ??) and their own money to represent a charity or UK business including 'yobs' ?

Would not have thought charities and UK businesses would want antisocal people working for them and possibly ruining their reputation.

If you are suggesting that the 'yobs' included in this 'everyone' would have to do civil service in the UK then what could they do that may improve their attitudes and behaviour without exposing a new group of the public to them ?

RB
 
I'm suggesting that we could come up with a wide range of options that allow people to learn new skills and benefit society at the same time. Charities and businesses would be able to interview and select candidates, same as a normal.

Regarding finances; at this time if the morning on a packed train I can't come up with a full proposition.

Why wouldn't these people be allowed to interact with the public, they aren't leapers. Community projects my wife organises for her office includes such things as refurbing youth centres, clearing up parks and such. These are all valuable things that provide a sense of local community ownership and responsibility.
 
[DOD]Asprilla;15715000 said:
I'm suggesting that we could come up with a wide range of options that allow people to learn new skills and benefit society at the same time. Charities and businesses would be able to interview and select candidates, same as a normal.
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Ok, understood. Would be interesting to know what a wide range of option could include.

[DOD]Asprilla;15715000 said:
Regarding finances; at this time if the morning on a packed train I can't come up with a full proposition.
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What is it they pay you for man...... we all now feel fully let down. I fear your skills were severly exaggerated ;):D.

[DOD]Asprilla;15715000 said:
Why wouldn't these people be allowed to interact with the public, they aren't leapers. Community projects my wife organises for her office includes such things as refurbing youth centres, clearing up parks and such. These are all valuable things that provide a sense of local community ownership and responsibility.
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Which is fantastic and to be throughly applauded.

Who are you refering to as 'these people'. Are you refering to normal teenagers or are you refering to abusive kids with no understanding of personal property, communication without swearing and commonly acceptible social interaction. If it is the latter then why must someone walking in the park be subjected to a torrent of abuse because something has upset this person.

RB
 
We used to do it in France, and whilst it was a bit of a ball ache for people (myself included) it actually was quite good fun. It taught you quite a lot that you didn't get at school, and IMO opened your eyes to the world a little. It certainly brought people together as we all had to do it. Even if you didn't want to, you ended up just giving your all because you soon learn to play as part of a team. I learnt lots of new skills too. It was deemed to be serious though, so not like a grown up version of CCF, you realised exactly what you were training for. Sure not everyone did frontline stuff, and there were at least 4 forces you could join at the time of national service in France. Furthermore, there are a lot of support functions that needed filling, not just frontline troops, relief aid, first aid, medical, science etc...

I kind of like the idea, but don't. Ignoring financial issues/points, and purely from the social/populous aspect, I think it's very interesting.

Doing it only for young offenders seems a little pointless, though a boot camp would certainly sort out these young people very well - it's an amazing environment to develop, re-assess, and learn, if done right.

Looking back on my life, although I've done a lot of amazing things and seen the world, I was flirting with the idea of joining the forces full time as an officer.
 
A few years ago i would have said yes. But no .. not as we once knew it but a some kind of boot camp for those say under 21 who are on job seekers. Not only does it keep them off the streets but it's a chance to learn new skills whilst opening new doors. Life's about chances and opportunities not free hand outs as this country seems to be.
 
So let me get this right -- what we should do is take completely innocent people who will most likely never perform a criminal act in their lives - people who may be trying to start out on a career or starting up a business that employs people, or living with their girlfriend and trying to have a completely normal life -- and (physically if necessary) force them to stop all that, close down the business and do something they will probably hate, for a whole year of their lives, to ..er .. 'teach them respect'. Oh, and the whole system should be expensive to run.

This will stop those darned entirely innocent adults who have never done anything wrong -- er -- suddenly starting to do wrong things. Maybe.


And that's a serious argument?


(Also -- 'Yay' to national service people -- do you believe in the nanny state? Because I hate to say it -- but this is the most nannying idea that I have ever heard of in my entire life!)
 
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