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Yup. It's a 200bhp hatch.
Megane 225 Cup Or EP3 CTR: Opinions Please
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Yup. It's a 200bhp hatch.
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[TW]Fox;20808273 said:
ok, can you argue with the above.
How many seconds would you say a gear change slows you?
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My point is:-
Impreza 0-60 5.7s (supposedly)
Civic 0-60 6.6s
So the civic is nearly 1s slower to 60 BUT both cars reach 100 in 16s.
That means once moving, particular beyond 60mph the Civic has pulled 1s back. Possibly due to or a mix of gearing, aero, transmission losses etc. But the civic on a roll would edge ahead both driver been equal in dry conditions.
Though WRX are very easy to tune and then it's goodbye Civic
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So modded cars vs a WRX is meh but a modded WRX vs other cars is ok? lol
you know what I mean, Wrx near STI power or an STI.
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Ok book figures tend to be based on the most ideal of situations i.e, dry conditions, perfect ground temperatures, tyres upto optimal perfomace, and oh of course the main factor. A very good driver!
I put it to you to get your 200bhp Honda Civic to do 0-62 in less than 6 seconds. Prove me wrong, I'd love it
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Ok book figures tend to be based on the most ideal of situations i.e, dry conditions, perfect ground temperatures, tyres upto optimal perfomace, and oh of course the main factor. A very good driver!
I put it to you to get your 200bhp Honda Civic to do 0-62 in less than 6 seconds. Prove me wrong, I'd love it
Would a run down Santapod tell me the 0-60?
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As long as the timing is calibrated.
Also when did you time your gear changes? I don't even know how quickly i change gear .3 of a second was that grabbed from thin air?
Its fairly obvious why the Impreza is quicker 0-60 and I'm suprised you've not mentioned it - it's 4WD. This gives it a real advantage off the line.
Ok book figures tend to be based on the most ideal of situations i.e, dry conditions, perfect ground temperatures, tyres upto optimal perfomace, and oh of course the main factor. A very good driver!
I put it to you to get your 200bhp Honda Civic to do 0-62 in less than 6 seconds. Prove me wrong, I'd love it
0-62 and 0-60 are rather different. I doubt one can do 0-62 in under 6s.
I reckon a 240BHP modded one with sticky rubber, able to hit 60 in second gear, a pro driver with no mechanical sympathy could probably scrape 5.9-6.0s too 60mph, not 62.
But such a cars real strong point would be it's on the roll performance.
My mustang perfect example. An EVO or WRX with 350-400 horses would muller it off the mark. But 30mph upwards it would destroy them, 30-70 in 2.75s and 60-100mph in 3.8s in comparison my EVO with 411BHP could do 60 in 4 flat, but 30-70 took 3.9s and 60-100 was 5.6s, the Mustang though slower to 60 made my EVO look like it was going backwards. Even the 911 with 50BHP less than the EVO is so much quicker beyond 60mph, well 60-100mph is 4.8s
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I wish everyone thought like this rather than jumping on the 0-60 bandwagon.
Why is it that people rave so much about this statistic when in reality this figure is all based on IF you have the talent to do it.
Whereas rolling acceleration, with some slight skill (knowing where the power band is in the rev range) is a far better subject to dicuss.
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Agreed ross, launching a turbo car from a stand still is lol and results in facepalm moments. On the move though a turbo car is great and like you said doesn't require mad skillz.
If I'm having a play with another car it's not from traffic lights but coming off a roundabout or down a dual carriageway where 0-60 times don't come into things.
If I'm having a play with another car it's not from traffic lights but coming off a roundabout or down a dual carriageway where 0-60 times don't come into things.
See my above post with mustang statistics, slower to 60 but scarily quick.
One other thing 0-60 puts stress on the whole car, so if that's all you do expect big bills, though modern DSG type cars take the stress element out somewhat.
Still 30-130mph is the best statistic
Its hugely irritating that manufacturers seem to use 0-62 whereas magazines doing proper tests use 0-60. That final 2mph can often be quite a long time as it almost invariably adds things like a gearchange.
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I don't think it's inconceivable that 0-60 can be hit in the low 6s with a KPROd EP3 - it's a fair old power bump, and if it really removes a gear change to hit 60 then you'd expect fairly decent gains in that department.
Of course it's all completely irrelevant as no one* launches their car at full bore on the road and those that do are probably losing a second or more in their lack of ability.
Too many factors involved in 0-60 for me to even care.
30-100 (or something to that effect) is what really matters.
Of course it's all completely irrelevant as no one* launches their car at full bore on the road and those that do are probably losing a second or more in their lack of ability.
Too many factors involved in 0-60 for me to even care.
30-100 (or something to that effect) is what really matters.
Fox, your first post in the thread said you hate the civic, yet later you argue that it is an excellent car? Would you explain this please mate?
Any megane 225 owners here with an opinion on the matter?
I admit that until I have drive. A meg225cup it's going to be a moot point.
Any megane 225 owners here with an opinion on the matter?
I admit that until I have drive. A meg225cup it's going to be a moot point.
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Just cause he doesn't like it doesn't mean he doesn't appreciate it's a good car.
Take me for example. I don't like Clios at all. But I know the Clio 200 is a very good car.