Megane 225 Cup Or EP3 CTR: Opinions Please
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Might prefer the CTR as it's more of a drivers car, but can't say it enough that you need to give both of them a good drive
Like Fox, as good as the Civic is I wasn't a fan for some reason when I drove one and preferred my 172, but others will say the opposite.
Did have a test drive in a Megane Trophy a long time ago but can't really remember much about how it drove.
So modded cars vs a WRX is meh but a modded WRX vs other cars is ok? lol
no what he is saying is, a modded pile of crap vs a modded wrx is fair but a modded pile of crap vs a standard wrx isnt
even more so when the base price is the same
and rich
just drive them both because nobodys opinion is the same as yours
Soldato
If you decide to look at Civics in Feb you're more than welcome to offer me good money for mine 
looks like my hours may be getting chopped in the new year which may make running it a bit much to potter around town in.
They're excellent fun, not many toys which is a blessing in a way as not much to go wrong. Adrenaline pumping engine when on the boil and they sound good in vtec of course... good handling, easy to live with, still enough torque to feel pokey off vtec around town etc... not much to look out for either when viewing them.
A sensible purchase for a quick fun car which handles and hasn't got expensive things like turbo's to go pop
looks like my hours may be getting chopped in the new year which may make running it a bit much to potter around town in.They're excellent fun, not many toys which is a blessing in a way as not much to go wrong. Adrenaline pumping engine when on the boil and they sound good in vtec of course... good handling, easy to live with, still enough torque to feel pokey off vtec around town etc... not much to look out for either when viewing them.
A sensible purchase for a quick fun car which handles and hasn't got expensive things like turbo's to go pop
After driving both back to back when I was looking for a hot hatch the CTR was the clear winner for me. I loved the power delivery and the fact you can drive it as it was designed and come away with a huge smile on your face, or drive it normal and get good mpg. I used to average 32mpg on my return journeys from the Nurburgring to Amsterdam, and that was sitting at 124ish on the Autobahn as that was off vtec in 6th.
If you are interested in the Magane have a look at the R26 F1. A 225 cup but tweaked and with better seats and a LSD: http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/...Options=PriceLowToHigh&TradePrivateFilter=All
If you are interested in the Magane have a look at the R26 F1. A 225 cup but tweaked and with better seats and a LSD: http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/...Options=PriceLowToHigh&TradePrivateFilter=All
Have you just answered your own question?
The 225 surely is not going to compare to the EP3 in terms of feedback and involvement?I've not driven either but I read Evo reviews n stuff so consider myself a bit of an expert.
Soldato
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mondeo_st220.html That's quite a cool site. I think the ST220 was measured at 6.8 thought not 7.0.
Yes, I know, that makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE TO ITS PERFORMANCE
It's not great off the line but once up to speed and when you wind the revs up, the V6 hauls it along nicely and makes a wonderful noise. 0-60 isn't the whole story, not by a long margin. I'm sure it'd be a fair bit slower if it couldn't do ~65 in 2nd.
I would probably go for the Civic ahead of the Megane, but I haven't driven the Megane. The Civic has lovely throttle response and I'm quite a fan of nice N/A engines, and the power delivery. It's quite a rush nailing a car up to daft RPM as the power continues to swell the whole way up
Yes, I know, that makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE TO ITS PERFORMANCE
It's not great off the line but once up to speed and when you wind the revs up, the V6 hauls it along nicely and makes a wonderful noise. 0-60 isn't the whole story, not by a long margin. I'm sure it'd be a fair bit slower if it couldn't do ~65 in 2nd.
I would probably go for the Civic ahead of the Megane, but I haven't driven the Megane. The Civic has lovely throttle response and I'm quite a fan of nice N/A engines, and the power delivery. It's quite a rush nailing a car up to daft RPM as the power continues to swell the whole way up
Doesn't seem that far fetched does it? the Prelude S-Spec could do a 6 second 0-60 stock so I don't see why a Civic with a bit less weight/power couldn't.
[TW]Fox;20808522 said:
Genuine question, is that because manufacturers test 0-100kph times then put them down as 0-62mph times instead of bothering to do an mph test?
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I'd happily give YOU* a honda civic, and an abandoned runway for the day. I could almost guarantee that YOU* wouldn't do 0-60 in sub 6 seconds in a CTR.
*Disclaimer: Unless your the stig
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/ford_mondeo_st220.html That's quite a cool site. I think the ST220 was measured at 6.8 thought not 7.0.
Yes, I know, that makes ALL THE DIFFERENCE TO ITS PERFORMANCE
It's not great off the line but once up to speed and when you wind the revs up, the V6 hauls it along nicely and makes a wonderful noise. 0-60 isn't the whole story, not by a long margin. I'm sure it'd be a fair bit slower if it couldn't do ~65 in 2nd.
I would probably go for the Civic ahead of the Megane, but I haven't driven the Megane. The Civic has lovely throttle response and I'm quite a fan of nice N/A engines, and the power delivery. It's quite a rush nailing a car up to daft RPM as the power continues to swell the whole way up
I've got the same engine in my Jag, very impressive acceleration wise once into 3rd and 4th gears.
Infact Rich should get himself an S-Type, its the sensible option and faster.
1k on the car and 2k on suspension, brakes, exhaust etc.
Soldato
I own a WRX myself, and I have done a little to it, full 3" decat exhaust which when I took it to Power Station it made 240bhp (stock is 215) and my car is fun to drive all the time.
However I know there are many faster cars on the road, my car is quick but top end gearing is not great on my car so high speeds are slower to get to that some cars with less bhp. Either way buying the car you prefer can only be decided by driving both cars. Enjoying a nice car isn't just about the raw speed, there is handling and comfort as well, and even the looks of the car. MPG will make a difference too, as budgets are important. (Gibbo has seen the power of my MPG on our trip to Manchester last weekend lol)
Everyone has different opinions themselves anyway.
However I know there are many faster cars on the road, my car is quick but top end gearing is not great on my car so high speeds are slower to get to that some cars with less bhp. Either way buying the car you prefer can only be decided by driving both cars. Enjoying a nice car isn't just about the raw speed, there is handling and comfort as well, and even the looks of the car. MPG will make a difference too, as budgets are important. (Gibbo has seen the power of my MPG on our trip to Manchester last weekend lol)
Everyone has different opinions themselves anyway.
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See my above post with mustang statistics, slower to 60 but scarily quick.
One other thing 0-60 puts stress on the whole car, so if that's all you do expect big bills, though modern DSG type cars take the stress element out somewhat.
Still 30-130mph is the best statistic
Time Exposed to Danger is an interesting, real world stat also.
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An EP3 is quick due to how engine develops power, gearing and light weight, a 220BHP-240BHP one would no doubt be circa 6.2s to 60 and 15s to 100.
Though a 270BHP MEgane would be a bit quicker again.
I would have thought 240bhp in a hatch is low 14s territory, my trusty and at the time unmodified Astra vxr (bar turbo back exhaust and 100cell cat) was hitting 14 dead at 101mph at Santa pod. I would imagine an R26 would be very close to that with it's diff helping traction. But out right speed is not everything both the megane and type r are good handling cars, but I think the Civic pips it on turn in and adjustability over the Megane (only driven a late ep3 and a early 225 cup) IMO.
(Disclaimer: OP don't take advice from a man who owns a vauxhall
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Soldato
Not driven a Megane, but can see the appeal.
Another car that is actually well built and equally rapid is the Leon Cupra R 225. Having recently bought my wife a 180 Cupra, I have to say it's a very nice car for the money. The LCR was always the holy grail for me (in hot hatch terms at least), but I couldn't afford one at the time, so went with the EP3 instead. The EP3 is a brilliant car, but I imagine the LCR to be a better all-rounder. Is the Megane only available in 3 door?
The EP3 is reliable and VTEC is addictive, but you have to buy it knowing that really what you buy is what you're stuck with. I love thrashing mine, but going to my wife's comaparatively quiet, better riding and far better built Leon Cupra, I slightly regret not waiting and being able to afford the LCR.
EP3 fuel economy is rubbish too, I've never topped 30MPG in mine. Not sure on the Megane, but the Leon is meant to be a bit better (haven't worked out what my wife's car will return yet).
Another car that is actually well built and equally rapid is the Leon Cupra R 225. Having recently bought my wife a 180 Cupra, I have to say it's a very nice car for the money. The LCR was always the holy grail for me (in hot hatch terms at least), but I couldn't afford one at the time, so went with the EP3 instead. The EP3 is a brilliant car, but I imagine the LCR to be a better all-rounder. Is the Megane only available in 3 door?
The EP3 is reliable and VTEC is addictive, but you have to buy it knowing that really what you buy is what you're stuck with. I love thrashing mine, but going to my wife's comaparatively quiet, better riding and far better built Leon Cupra, I slightly regret not waiting and being able to afford the LCR.
EP3 fuel economy is rubbish too, I've never topped 30MPG in mine. Not sure on the Megane, but the Leon is meant to be a bit better (haven't worked out what my wife's car will return yet).
If the conditions allowed and the driver is in control sitting at 30 or 130mph is no more dangerous.
The only danger is the impact on your wallet on the fuel cost from travelling at 130mph compared to say 30mph.
The conditions to allow constant 130mph would be say a test bowl or an empty autobahn and in such conditions 130mph is no more dangerous than 30mph if the driver is capable.
Speed is not the issue, lack of control and common sense is. Doing 130mph on public roads there is far too many variables as such is damn right dangerous.
Soldato
If the conditions allowed and the driver is in control sitting at 30 or 130mph is no more dangerous.
The only danger is the impact on your wallet on the fuel cost from travelling at 130mph compared to say 30mph.
The conditions to allow constant 130mph would be say a test bowl or an empty autobahn and in such conditions 130mph is no more dangerous than 30mph if the driver is capable.
Hidden dangers such as Tyre speed rating can catch you out and can play its part in causing accidents if a car capable of driving at such speeds is not kitted to do so.
A factor not many keep in mind which ecludes the relevance of how capable a driver is.
Soldato
It is your responsibility as the driver to check that the car is roadworthy e.g. correct tyres for the speeds you are going to be travelling.
Soldato
Danza: Interesting about not managing to top 30mpg in an EP3 you must have been in vtec constantly!
I managed to average 35.6mpg out of my DC5 over 20k miles and thats with a more highly tuned version of that engine.
I'd personally go for the EP3 every time as i love the N/A feel and the K20 is pretty much my favorite engine ever and comes with an epic gearbox. I'd still stretch to a DC5 but thats only if you can put up with the generally higher costs to insure etc
I managed to average 35.6mpg out of my DC5 over 20k miles and thats with a more highly tuned version of that engine.
I'd personally go for the EP3 every time as i love the N/A feel and the K20 is pretty much my favorite engine ever and comes with an epic gearbox. I'd still stretch to a DC5 but thats only if you can put up with the generally higher costs to insure etc