Megane 225 Cup Or EP3 CTR: Opinions Please

Is the Megane only available in 3 door?
the standard 225 is, but that is the one that has been slated.
as far as i understand, the 'hardcore' versions like the cup/trophy/f1/r26 are 3 door only.

The EP3 is reliable and VTEC is addictive, but you have to buy it knowing that really what you buy is what you're stuck with. I love thrashing mine, but going to my wife's comaparatively quiet, better riding and far better built Leon Cupra, I slightly regret not waiting and being able to afford the LCR.
I do like the leon, but its a little put of my price range at the moment. in fairness, most meganes with the right kit on them are a lot more than the civic anyway. I am open to suggestions to other cars in this class of course. but £5k is around the top end of the limit.

EP3 fuel economy is rubbish too
expecting between 25-30 am I being optimistic?
 
Hidden dangers such as Tyre speed rating can catch you out and can play its part in causing accidents if a car capable of driving at such speeds is not kitted to do so.

A factor not many keep in mind which ecludes the relevance of how capable a driver is.

Really?

For a starts its not a hidden danger, by law all tyres have their speed rating printed on the sidewall and its your responsibility as the owner to fit the right specification of tyre.

I check, if I have a car capable of 200mph, it shall be fitted with the correct specification of tyre from the manufacturer or superior. Tyres are what keep your car on the road and in every car I've owned I fit tyres that are the correct specification or superior and upto my driving style.

My point is if the car is designed to do 130mph and the conditions allow such as an empty autobahn, test bowl/circuit then its safe to do so.

Anyone who has a performance car that is capable of such speeds fitting the incorrect tyres is both stupid and the garage fitting them also needs a kicking, unless of course its winter tyres and if your on winter tyres then they often have a lower speed rating though some are rated to much higher speeds, but also cost considerably more too.
 
What you get for the ST?

I was choosing between these 2 and the ST when I was looking for a new car. Only reason I ended up with the ST is because I couldn't find a insurer what would insure me on the CTR.

Left me between a Megane 225 and the ST, chose the ST as it was more suitable for work. I did a lot of reading into the Megane and quite a few thing put me off aswell.

I would go for a nice looked after gun metal grey Type R if it was me. But that's me and I like reliability. :)
 
I think it all depends where you drive it, i never managed to get less than 30mpg out of my DC5 in the entire time i owned it, that includes proper thrashes through the north wales hills, but my commute was 70-80 miles each way so it was always pretty good in the end.
 
Loving the 0-60 arguments, how many people actually do a 0-60 in their cars on a regular basis? It's a pointless statistic IMO.

EP3 tops second at around 58mph, the extra gear change hurts the time somewhat.
 
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No, that's realistic day to day MPG IMO. My driving is mainly A-road, but with a bit of a thrash thrown in for good measure. I could probabyl better 30, but CBA. :p

thanks for the feedback danza. glad my expectations are about right then.
what I have read so far suggests a similar story from the megane camp.

What you get for the ST?

long story, would rather not talk about it tbh :(
 
Had my megane 4 years now, and have driven several type r's. Both good cars wouldn't be dissapointed with either if I was given one of them but preferred the megane mostly due to the extra gadgets you get over the civic which is pretty sparse in comparison. Plus I now couldn't go back to n/a given the choice.

Few things that you need to look out for when buying and some of the RS specific parts aren't as cheap as they should be, but other than that theres nothing overly major.

Lots of the Ph1 models are complete dogs these days as people buy them for £4k and underestimate the running costs so they degrade fast, hence buying one of these will cost you in the longer run. Make sure its a decent tidy one in the first place and you'll be set.

Probably being blind but whats the budget? Go for a Ph2 if you can afford it, but you're better off buying a decent Cupped 225 rather than a dog for an R26.

If you are interested this is mine.


DSC00935 by RussZS, on Flickr


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expecting between 25-30 am I being optimistic?

No you're being realistic.

Trash them and they do sub 25mpg.

Drive at 70 all day on the motorway and they do 35mpg.

I have had three, they all averaged between 32 and 35 mpg, most recent on was 32.1 iirc, fair bit of town driving.
 
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Sub 6 in a CTR to 60...dunno....

S2000 is a little lighter, redlines at 9,000, has more power is RWD and is geared for around 65 in second (Rolling on 17"s) and sub 6s would be giving it plenty. The book for 0-62 is 5.9.
 
^ S2000 is easier to launch than an EP3. I highly doubt a KPro'd EP3 would be able to do sub 6 seconds, but as I said it's a meaningless figure unless you're into racing people off the lights.

30-70 and such times are much more important when considering performance IMO.
 
Lots of the Ph1 models are complete dogs these days as people buy them for £4k and underestimate the running costs so they degrade fast, hence buying one of these will cost you in the longer run. Make sure its a decent tidy one in the first place and you'll be set.
that's why i was looking at anything with a cup upgrade tbh, i havent seen one person mention that they have a non cup 225 and are happy with it.


Probably being blind but whats the budget? Go for a Ph2 if you can afford it, but you're better off buying a decent Cupped 225 rather than a dog for an R26.

£5k max at the moment. but obviously I would be able to get a civic for a lot less than that. a megane is going to stretch that budget for a good example.

if i like the megane, i have thought about getting a civic then possibly moving to an r26 or similar at some point in the future when i have more funds.


If you are interested this is mine.
lovely looking car, is yours a Trophy?
 
Have you driven both of them? They are completely different sorts of hot hatch.

I drove the R26 while I had the DC5, and while very quick point to point, the drive felt a bit dull, I was sat way too high, the interior was horrible and the engine lacked character. But I am a VTEC fanboy. ;) Saying that, an Evo engine has way more soul and that's also a 4 pot turbo. Cheeky remap might sort it out I guess? But I had a similar feeling in the LCR, the fun is over way too quickly, power delivery feels like a derv.
 
This is what I wrote on my own site in 2007:
http://type-r-owners.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?43589-Renault-Megane-R26&highlight=megane

Read loads of hype about this car over the previous few weeks, so I popped along to my local Renault Garage and took one out for a spin. It looks, well, good if you like the huge ass. The wheels look really nice, and the discs are drilled which adds to the whole effect. Overall though, the shape of the car and the way it sits doesn't have "sport" written all over it.

Before I went out in it I had a look inside. The dash is covered in cheap grey plastics, the steering wheel is one of the gayest I've seen in a while, and the seats while visually pleasant offer little support and I found the ones in my old EP3 a lot better. The driving position is really high, made me feel like I was driving a 4x4 after getting out of the low DC5. The seats can't be changed in height either, but you can adjust reach and rake on the steering column so fining a comfortable, if too high a driving position is relatively easy. I found the speed dials a bit too cramped with too many numbers on, but the rev counter is very clear. The rear space looked good as did the rear seats. Boot space doesn't impress though.

So next I slotted the card into the slot and hit the button to start the engine. It's quiet on tickover. So of the forecourt and onto the road I gave it 10 mins before booting it. The low speed ride is very good, I was expecting it to be harsh but not so. I'd possibly say it was more comfortable then the FN2. The steering is super light (I think mine in the teg is heavy atm, something might be up) and responsive and it behaved nicely. Went round a few bends to try and get the diff to play but it didn't made itself known, the DC5 one is a lot more brutal. Onto the straight through 2nd, 3rd, 4th and into 5th the car feels fast, but I don't like the power delivery. There's little turbo lag, but once it kicks in at about 2000 rpm, there's no character to the engine. It just pulls and pulls and pulls all the way to about 6000 rpm when it started to run out of steam. You don't get an induction or exhaust roar either, all that can bee heard is the shhhhhhh of the turbo spinning. Not much grin factor in a straight line then. I took it round some roads that I know well and I've got to say point to point the car is incredibly fast. It responds super well to inputs, the pedals are ideal for heel and toe, there's a massive amount of feel from the car and it's very much driver orientated. That said though, it lacks that little something. It doesn't really excite very much. Yes you cane it out of the corner full on the power, slung hard into the side of the seat letting the diff do it's work, then onto the straight working the box hard, fully confident that you know what the car is doing. But that's it, there's no buzz, no excitement, no life to it. It's a devastatingly quick car that has no character. If the engine was a little less bland, the diff a little harder or just something to say "wow" to then this car would be great. But it doesn't have it. But I must say, the brakes are bloody fantastic. Pure brutal stopping power, no fade, full of feel and very sharp.

If I was in the market for a new hot hatch and I had to choose between the FN2 and the R26, it would be the Honda every time. It looks better (including the rear end), the interior is much better, the seats better, more boot space (IMO, not sure if it's the case or not), the engine, overall feel and character of the car is better. Hands down though, the R26 would murder the FN2 point to point, but overall the Honda is a better drive and rewards more then what the Renault does.

I had a 250bhp DC5 at the time.
 
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Have you driven both of them? They are completely different sorts of hot hatch.

I drove the R26 while I had the DC5, and while very quick point to point, the drive felt a bit dull, I was sat way too high, the interior was horrible and the engine lacked character. But I am a VTEC fanboy. ;) Saying that, an Evo engine has way more soul and that's also a 4 pot turbo. Cheeky remap might sort it out I guess? But I had a similar feeling in the LCR, the fun is over way too quickly, power delivery feels like a derv.

The R26 interior isn't that bad at all imho, the seats are fantastic some of the best i've ever sat in, whilst the plastic quality is typical french the design and look is miles better than the Civic.

I liked the way the R26 went down the road, much prefered the engine to the CTR, plus in yellow with stickers the R26 looks great, much better than the breadvan shaped CTR, oh yes the brakes are great too, and the diff has changed the car, it's now a hoot.

However it's all irrelevent since the OP doesn't have enough money to buy one.
 
Have you driven both of them? They are completely different sorts of hot hatch.

I drove the R26 while I had the DC5, and while very quick point to point, the drive felt a bit dull, I was sat way too high, the interior was horrible and the engine lacked character. But I am a VTEC fanboy. ;) Saying that, an Evo engine has way more soul and that's also a 4 pot turbo. Cheeky remap might sort it out I guess? But I had a similar feeling in the LCR, the fun is over way too quickly, power delivery feels like a derv.

not yet, looking to drive a cupped 225 as soon as I get a free, dry day to do it.
the seating looks high, even with the seat in my current 1.6 megane, it feels too high and its as low as it will go. as i mentioned, whilst comfortable, it doesnt feel too sporty. The RS version may change my opinion.

if i like the megane, the other option of course is to get a civic now as they are cheaper to buy then save some money and get a good example R26 when i can afford that outlay.
 
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