Microsoft Possibly Pushing Foward the Release Of Windows 7

Roll on Windows 7 then.

Vista is going in the way of Windows Me because it didn't have any benefits over XP.

Why is Windows 7 being pushed forward by 1 year? Because in this world of current OSs, Microsoft obliviously realised that Vista is simply not good enough with its silly system requirements.

They are bringing it inline with the release cycle we had before Vista. Also, MS are currently trying to overdeliver and under promise.

The chances are in 2009 we will Beta or CTP of Windows 7 not the polished product
 
Vista is excellent for me!
I put in sunray thin clients for over 5000 seats at the end of last year with over 20000 on the cards so far this year because business dont want to 'upgrade' to vista :D
Im with richdog here, working in large scale IT I know very few people who consider it to be a viable os for businesses.
 
Vista is excellent for me!
I put in sunray thin clients for over 5000 seats at the end of last year with over 20000 on the cards so far this year because business dont want to 'upgrade' to vista :D
Im with richdog here, working in large scale IT I know very few people who consider it to be a viable os for businesses.

But the same was said of XP until SP1 at least, it offered nothing that couldn't be done in NT4 or W2K for most companies...

The ignorance of some industry professionals to the ongoing attitudes of their own industries is astounding.
 
The ignorance of some industry professionals to the ongoing attitudes of their own industries is astounding.

So can you please explain the "astounding ignorance" (goodness grief if you only realised what a pompous sod you sound like sometimes) that I and many other people are guilty of with regards to the "ongoing attidudes of our own industries"? I can then relay your expert wisdom to some of my colleagues who are obviously similarly ignorant. :)
 
But the same was said of XP until SP1 at least, it offered nothing that couldn't be done in NT4 or W2K for most companies...

The ignorance of some industry professionals to the ongoing attitudes of their own industries is astounding.

I agree. I mean some of the tech media authors should be ashamed of themselves. They claim to be technology freaks and yet will happily slate an OS which is chock full of new exciting technology. It just doesn't make sense for them to do this... Unless of course they have a hidden agenda, which of course they do. Because anti-Microsoft's-latest-OS articles get hits and hits makes money.
 
So can you please explain the "astounding ignorance" (goodness grief if you only realised what a pompous sod you sound like sometimes) that I and many other people are guilty of with regards to the "ongoing attidudes of our own industries"? I can then relay your expert wisdom to some of my colleagues who are obviously similarly ignorant. :)

Mostly, believing the current business attitude to Vista is actually because of Vista, when in fact every major OS change has given exactly the same feelings from businesses because businesses do not like change. It's expensive, it interferes with productivity, it creates massive problems with frontline users, not to mention bespoke programs that are part and parcel of most companies IT systems have a tendancy to break, it throws up all new compatibility problems, requires retraining in support teams, the list goes on and on.

The same thing occured with NT4, W2K and XP, and before then too. For a company to upgrade, the new software has to provide benefits to counter all the above, something no operating system has done to date, especially within it's first 12-18 months. As time goes on, things improve and it becomes a viable path as software vendors have caught up etc.

It is true that Vista is not a must have upgrade for most businesses at this point, especially without the corresponding server technology to go with it, however, this is not because vista is a bad piece of software, it's simply exactly the same inertia that all businesses have when it comes to system upgrades.

How many companies changed to XP in 2001-2002? Everyone was saying the same things about XP then as they say about Vista now, especially if they missed W2K out in the middle and were still running NT4 systems (which many businesses were).

And yes, I'm aware of what a pompus sod I can be, unfortunately I can usually back it up too.
 
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Yes of course, every user opposed to it is ignorant, and everyone in the media opposed to it has a hidden agenda.

Well, given the understanding of the differences shown by many, you do have to wonder...

Anyone who thinks vista doesn't offer anything because it looks the same, for example...
 
I don't think many people disregard it on how it "looks not much different to XP"... well not those who work in IT anyway...

And for the record I don't think, and never have said, that Vista is a bad piece of software. Just that it offers nothing over XP that affects me enough to want or need to upgrade on a permanent basis, and I did try it for a few months. The same goes for lots of other people. With regards to my company rolling out... the immense time and cost that will be involved pushing it out to our thousands of users, re-writing tons of home-brew apps designed for XP etc... only for the next OS to be shovelled out a year or so later just seems a pointless exercise when for our current (heavy) use, XP is a complete champ in every respect.
 
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I've never understood peoples reluctance to spend money on an operating system - the most important part of a computer! Especially those that spend hundreds on graphics cards and processors.

I think £100 for a 2-3 year's worth of operating system is perfectly good value for money. I'll spend more money getting my haircut in that period!!
 
Just that it offers nothing over XP that affects me enough to want or need to upgrade on a permanent basis, and I did try it for a few months.

Key words there. Are you a sysadmin? I'd be surprised if you were, because you have a totally different persepctive once you realise what Server 2008 and Vista can do for a business.

Burnsy
 
I've never understood peoples reluctance to spend money on an operating system - the most important part of a computer! Especially those that spend hundreds on graphics cards and processors.

I think £100 for a 2-3 year's worth of operating system is perfectly good value for money. I'll spend more money getting my haircut in that period!!

Spending 100 quid when vista was out though was completly stupid, as your expensive gfx cards etc didn't even work properly on it without crashing...



I like vista, but at the same time hate it:

Like:
aero
speed in windows with enough ram ( love superfetch)
general looks


Dislike:
Time it takes to disable all rubbish like security, uac, defender, etc...
Sensibility: This OS is WAY more sensitive to minor instability's than XP, it crashes on a very small chipset change unfixable by a repair install ( xp happily went through 6 chipsets now from 2 real gens ( 478 and 775 ) and still is stable and performs as it should), vista crashes much faster on a bad overclock, etc...
Drivers: Still, stupid manufacturers.
Game performance: On less than top hardware the hit is quite noticable.
Stubborness: I terminate security center, then a stupid message pops up in bottom right that security center service has stopped working, I disable all auto defrag I can find, and it still defrags in screensaver ( checked what process is the bad one that causes massive hdd usage ). Or even when I put my security on minumum in iexplorer it still asks me everything anywhere. I say I don't want to reboot immediatly after windows updates, and then it keeps reminding me of it and asks to do it in max 4 hours and the asks again grrr :mad:, I don't want to turn the pc off atm, DONT YOU GET IT VISTA ?, WAIT till it's night when I turn off my pc you stupid OS.


Thats what bothers me atm about vista, it has good points, but atm I find myself using xp 99% of the time, purely for all the stuff already installed on it, I pretty gave up after I had to reinstall Vista by going from 945p to 965p, I didn't want to go through all the trouble of reinstalling 90 games AGAIN.


Windows 7: By all means release it, but bring back compatibilty and pleeeeeeeeeeeaaase, add an option in setup to say you're a complete stupid pc noob that wants stuff like vista has on as default, or if you're an experienced user wanting all rubbish turned off as default and to only make an option to turn it on but keep stuff like security center and other rubbish disbled at start.
 
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Thats what bothers me atm about vista, it has good points, but atm I find myself using xp 99% of the time, purely for all the stuff already installed on it, I pretty gave up after I had to reinstall Vista by going from 945p to 965p, I didn't want to go through all the trouble of reinstalling 90 games AGAIN.

Good practice would have a reinstall on a chipset change anyway, especially if you want maximum performance.

Windows 7: By all means release it, but bring back compatibilty and pleeeeeeeeeeeaaase, add an option in setup to say you're a complete stupid pc noob that wants stuff like vista has on as default, or if you're an experienced user wanting all rubbish turned off as default and to only make an option to turn it on but keep stuff like security center and other rubbish disbled at start.

Compatibility with properly written programs or standards compliant hardware is not a problem in vista, it's only things that were 'broken' in the first place that struggle. Very few windows programs should need to run as admin as default, for example (games are especially guilty of this), but because of the way XP worked and the fact that it didn't force users to adopt good practice lazy developers exploited it.

UAC is a classic example of this, most programs should not set off UAC when being run, yet because they do, people assume UAC is rubbish, when in actual fact, it's the software that sets it off by demanding high level privileges that's rubbish in the vast majority of cases.

Security center, likewise, is a good thing, as is the 'nagging' it does when people ignore good computing practices. Defragging in the background is also a good thing, provided it's not impacting your workrate (which it isn't if you're screensavered), rebooting after installing updates, again, is good practice, because the updates won't generally become active until you do so.

It seems most of your objections to vista relate to you thinking you know what you are doing, and yet you don't understand the reasoning behind why things are set up the way they are. In many ways, vista's nagging is trying to teach you how you should have been doing things all along...
 
Good practice would have a reinstall on a chipset change anyway, especially if you want maximum performance.

Experience taught me this is a myth, properly cleaning your pc (and keeping it clean) and wiping old drivers properly is enough, I've compared my hdd, gfx, cpu, ram and game performance to many many pc's and found it's performing the same, as it should, even after 3 or 4 years.

Compatibility with properly written programs or standards compliant hardware is not a problem in vista, it's only things that were 'broken' in the first place that struggle. Very few windows programs should need to run as admin as default, for example (games are especially guilty of this), but because of the way XP worked and the fact that it didn't force users to adopt good practice lazy developers exploited it.


UAC is a classic example of this, most programs should not set off UAC when being run, yet because they do, people assume UAC is rubbish, when in actual fact, it's the software that sets it off by demanding high level privileges that's rubbish in the vast majority of cases.

UAC imo is useless for a pc enthousiast, it's just a pain...
I don't want more security, I've been for years in xp even without an AV and it was all fine as I used common sence. ( now have an AV though). UAC should never exits in the first place.

NAT FW + AV + anti ad/spyware is enough, I don't need any more stuff like UAC or whatever.

Security center, likewise, is a good thing, as is the 'nagging' it does when people ignore good computing practices.

Again, for pc enthousiatsts this is just a pain in the ***.
I know what security I have, windows has no right to whine to me about having no FW wich happens to be in my router....


Defragging in the background is also a good thing, provided it's not impacting your workrate (which it isn't if you're screensavered), rebooting after installing updates, again, is good practice, because the updates won't generally become active until you do so.

No, it's annoying:
1: I defrag with ultimatedefrag, wich places my more imortant things on the faster bits of the hdd, I select stuff manually wich I want on the fast bits of my hdd. A normall defrag makes a complete mess again slowing my pc down, as unlike windows, I know what I use often and need the speeds for, eg. I don't want my 80 gb music folder to sit on the fast bits of the hdd, a 5mb mp3 file can be loaded just as fast on the slow bit of the hdd... I want games like BF2 sit on the fast outer edges of the platter...
2: I still have 2 Fat32 partitions on my hdd, shutting down defrag on these takes AGES, slowing my pc down for awhile after screensaver. Besides I don't want it defragging when I do a prime95 test on a potentially unstable overclock, fat32 will just corrupt files this way if my pc happens to crash or bsod when moving stuff around like defrag does, unlike ntfs wich only removes the original after the copy has been verified, fat32 truely cuts files, if halfway a file fails to move due to a bsod/crash you can be sure it's corrupted. ( I use fat32 for personal reasons )


It seems most of your objections to vista relate to you thinking you know what you are doing, and yet you don't understand the reasoning behind why things are set up the way they are. In many ways, vista's nagging is trying to teach you how you should have been doing things all along...


Yes, but that's what I'm saying, I don't want to be taught and seen as some idiot using the pc by my OS. I want to be in control of my pc, using the OS as a tool, not using it as a lets say controller, that listens to my commands then insetad of boldly following it commands the pc itself.

When I say do that I want it without being asked asking questions, or informing me about something potentially unsafe.
 
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Experience taught me this is a myth, properly cleaning your pc (and keeping it clean) and wiping old drivers properly is enough, I've compared my hdd, gfx, cpu, ram and game performance to many many pc's and found it's performing the same, as it should, even after 3 or 4 years.

YMMV obviously, but you're flying in the face of not only conventional wisdom, but accepted wisdom from the OC'ing/performance user commuity.

UAC imo is useless for a pc enthousiast, it's just a pain...
I don't want more security, I've been for years in xp even without an AV and it was all fine as I used common sence. ( now have an AV though). UAC should never exits in the first place.

You're right that UAC shouldn't exist, but the thing to remember is that the ability to run in the admin account constantly should never have been default behaviour. UAC is a counter to the fact that prior versions of the OS let you do something that is incredibly dumb, and a great many people did so, to the point where programmers took it as read they would have admin rights.

NAT FW + AV + anti ad/spyware is enough, I don't need any more stuff like UAC or whatever.

NAT isn't a firewall, if you're relying on NAT to provide you firewall features, I'm even more concerned, especially that combined with unnecessarily elevated privileges.

Again, for pc enthousiatsts this is just a pain in the ***.
I know what security I have, windows has no right to whine to me about having no FW wich happens to be in my router....

What security you have isn't necessarily what you should have.

No, it's annoying:
1: I defrag with ultimatedefrag, wich places my more imortant things on the faster bits of the hdd, I select stuff manually wich I want on the fast bits of my hdd. A normall defrag makes a complete mess again slowing my pc down, as unlike windows, I know what I use often and need the speeds for, eg. I don't want my 80 gb music folder to sit on the fast bits of the hdd, a 5mb mp3 file can be loaded just as fast on the slow bit of the hdd... I want games like BF2 sit on the fast outer edges of the platter...

2: I still have 2 Fat32 partitions on my hdd, shutting down defrag on these takes AGES, slowing my pc down for awhile after screensaver. Besides I don't want it defragging when I do a prime95 test on a potentially unstable overclock, fat32 will just corrupt files this way if my pc happens to crash or bsod when moving stuff around like defrag does, unlike ntfs wich only removes the original after the copy has been verified, fat32 truely cuts files, if halfway a file fails to move due to a bsod/crash you can be sure it's corrupted. ( I use fat32 for personal reasons )

Reviews have shown ultimate defragger doesn't provide much of a performance boost, if any at all, compared to it's competitors (example) so I wouldn't be too concerned about that.

I can understand the fat32 problem, but the fact that you're clinging to older ways isn't the fault of the OS.

Yes, but that's what I'm saying, I don't want to be taught and seen as some idiot using the pc by my OS. I want to be in control of my pc, using the OS as a tool, not using it as a lets say controller, that listens to my commands then insetad of boldly following it commands the pc itself.

When I say do that I want it without being asked asking questions, or informing me about something potentially unsafe.

Educating users new and experienced about computing best practice is not a bad thing. This is especially true when correcting issues that have been encouraged by previous windows versions in experienced users who now think that they way they've always done it is right or the best way.

If you follow standard best practice, Vista will very rarely demand you do anything. The OS isn't trying to control you, it's trying to teach you, and the things it's trying to teach you are good.
 
Roll on Windows 7 then.

Vista is going in the way of Windows Me because it didn't have any benefits over XP.

Why is Windows 7 being pushed forward by 1 year? Because in this world of current OSs, Microsoft obliviously realised that Vista is simply not good enough with its silly system requirements.

LOL OMG Win7 is going to need even more System requirements :D
 
barnettgs what?

Microsoft stated they already had the next 2 versions of Windows roadmapped out and stated that they'd come out within a short time of each other. This was during Vista development.

It has nothing to do with MS knowing Vista is a bad OS (which it isn't) and it certainly has nothing to do with Vista heading in the direction of ME because that's also a lie since ME WAS bugged and unstable whereas Vista is not... if your system has problems on Vista then you need a better system.
 
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